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Tony McSweeney Guilty

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Father Tony McSweeney has been found guilty on 4 charges . One count indecent assault and three counts of making indecent images of a child.

He was found not guilty on four other charges.

That might be the end of Operation Fernbridge and it will be interesting to see if the police or CPS comment. I’ll wait and see if they do before commenting myself in more detail about Grafton Close and Elm Guest House.

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Tory Mandarins ‘Close Ranks’ Following Leon Brittan’s Death

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You’d have thought that these senior Tories who when asked to comment on an embarrassing development are the first to hide behind the need to not jeopardise ongoing police investigations when it suits them, would refrain from pressuring others to go public with information which might still be part of an important police investigation into VIP paedophiles.

I’ve a message for them;

The police will not be cowed by establishment pressure from political has-beens. The police will not be given the bum’s rush because friends of a person who has come under police investigation think that he will be exonerated if more information is made public prematurely.

The Tories claim to be the party of law and order. That espoused respect for the law seems to be distinctly absent as they use the power of the Tory media to put pressure on the police with these juvenile responses.

“Put up or ‘shut up'” a playground response to a grown up issue.

Politicians fuelling rumours about Leon Brittan’s involvement in a Westminster cover up of child abuse were this morning ordered to come clean about what they know or ‘shut up’.

Former Cabinet colleague John Gummer, now Lord Deben, said MPs were ‘making innuendos and insinuations in order to make themselves look as if they know something when they don’t’. He said it was ‘wicked’ to make allegations without any evidence.

The Tory peer’s outburst comes after campaigning MP Simon Danczuk said Lord Brittan’s death was a ‘sad day’ for the victims of child abuse who wanted to question the former home secretary about the missing ‘Dickens dossier’ of paedophile allegations handed to him in the 1980s.

Daily Mail

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Leon Brittan Accused Of Attempting To Smuggle Child Abuse Images Into UK.

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I’m very grateful to journalist Tim Tate for leaving this comment, quoted below, which has confirmed my suspicions about the provenance of The Daily Telegraph story, also quoted below, which alleges that Leon Brittan had been caught trying to smuggle indecent images of children into Dover while he had been an EU Commissioner in the late 1980s.

Tim Tate is on the byline of the original Daily Telegraph story

“Almost a year ago I interviewed a very senior detective who was handling the Brittan investigation. He was very clear that the Customs Officer (referred to above) had made a clear and credible statement about stopping Brittan at Dover, and seizing child pornography video tapes from him. The Customs Officer stated that he viewed the tapes and was able to describe what was on them.

That statement is – or should be – still held at the Metropolitan Police station from which the investigation was conducted.

I believe that it is essential that the historic child abuse enquiry – assuming it survives – is given a copy of the statement.” – Tim Tate

A senior Tory politician said to be part of a child sex ring was allegedly stopped by a customs officer with child pornography videos but got off scot-free, police have been told.

The former MP was driving back to the UK via Dover when a customs officer pulled him over because he was “acting suspiciously”. The border guard, who is now retired, has told detectives that when he searched the MP’s car he found videotapes of children “clearly under the age of 12” taking part in sex acts.

He passed the material on to his superiors, but the MP was never arrested or charged.

The Telegraph

 

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Was Leon Brittan A Paedophile ?

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Leon Brittan has died, he was aged 75.

You’ll find fulsome obituaries elsewhere and perhaps even praise but I want to focus on the truth, or not, of the allegations that Leon Brittan was a paedophile.

Over the last two years there have been many rumours and news stories alleging that Leon Brittan was a paedophile, though you may not have realised as he has invariably been euphemistically alluded to as “a former senior Tory cabinet minister” or something similar. There had been some concern among journalists, and even this blogger, that the continued and ubiquitous use of this term might itself have become so synonymous with Leon Brittan that its use might itself have precipitated legal action if Lord Brittan decided to take that route.

The allegations are not new they go back to the early 1980s at least, as Bernhard Ingham, former press secretary to Margaret Thatcher, has confirmed recently to Sky News, he was aware of the allegations at the time and even asked him about them at the time. I’ve also talked to journalists who investigated these rumours in the late 1980s.

Clearly now that Leon Brittan is dead, I’m free from legal constraints and I can say exactly as I wish but just because I can write what I wish, doesn’t mean that I should. Ultimately, I’m only interested in the truth and not rumours.

About 15 months ago I discussed the allegations with a source close to an investigation looking into these and other similar allegations. I asked the source directly whether he thought that Leon Brittan was a paedophile. After a pause he replied that in his view 80% of the allegations were false but that the remaining 20% of allegations left him with the view that Leon Brittan did indeed have an unhealthy sexual interest in children.

It is with this in mind that I will refrain from repeating every allegation that has been swirling around the internet over the last two years because I agree with that source, there are many allegations that are false, as an example, there has been a suggestion that the police have a video of Lord Brittan at a “sex party”. This story is untrue.

So, I’m going to lay to one side all of the stories that I believe make up the 80% of false allegations and look instead at the allegations that I believe make up the 20% of allegations that have substance, or at the least raise questions that need answering.

I’ll touch briefly on the allegation that he raped a 19 year old female student, who is referred to in the press as ‘Jane’, in 1967. My view is that this allegation is credible but it is also my belief that after such a long time, and with no evidence beyond the victim’s word against Lord Brittan’s, a successful prosecution would have been very unlikely and that if the CPS had decided to proceed it would have put a great deal of pressure on the victim ‘Jane’ with little result. But for clarity, I believe her.

The second allegation I wish to mention is the one related to Elm Guest House.

It is my belief that the Daily Mail story, extract quoted below, refers to Leon Brittan. I say this because I had heard very similar accounts from other sources before this story had been published, some close to events at the time. I just didn’t have the first hand source/sources that The Mail had and so I couldn’t publish.

I’d recommend that readers, read this story once again.

The man recalled that during the boy’s testimony at Richmond Police Station, he had spoken of an abuser whom he called ‘Uncle XXXXX’. This abuser worked ‘at the big houses’, the boy said.

As the boy talked, at least two of those officials present came to independent realisations of his testimony’s significance.

If ‘Uncle XXXXX’ had done what was alleged, this was not just a sordid suburban scandal, but one of national importance.

The Daily Mail

I should note here that the victim in that Elm Guest House story has not felt able to co-operate with the police, hence no action could realistically be taken.

Another credible allegation is that Leon Brittan was stopped by British Customs trying to enter Dover with indecent images of children in the late 1980s while he was with the European Commission. This story, below, refers to that allegation.

A senior Tory politician said to be part of a child sex ring was allegedly stopped by a customs officer with child pornography videos but got off scot-free, police have been told.

The former MP was driving back to the UK via Dover when a customs officer pulled him over because he was “acting suspiciously”. The border guard, who is now retired, has told detectives that when he searched the MP’s car he found videotapes of children “clearly under the age of 12” taking part in sex acts.

He passed the material on to his superiors, but the MP was never arrested or charged.

The Telegraph

I am very aware that there will be many who will be disappointed that I’ve not related other allegations. As I’ve tried to make clear I want to stick only to those that I believe can be substantiated. If the victim at Elm Guest House speaks out then that allegation can be substantiated, if documentation exists, as it should, that Leon Brittan was stopped by a customs officer trying to enter the UK with indecent images, that too can be substantiated.

 

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Food for thought?

The first effect of broadcasting Nick’s detailed allegations is that anybody wishing to make a false allegation has now been given not just rumours, which in truth have been flying around on the internet for years, but a detailed and apparently first-hand description of exactly how another witness says the abuse took place. This, of course, flies in the face of good policing practice in which the account of one witness is never given to other potential witnesses precisely because of the danger of contamination. It is true that neither Exaro nor the BBC has actually given the names of the alleged abusers but 5 minutes on the internet would supply a selection of Tory MPs and cabinet ministers about whom rumours have swirled. Most of those who were cabinet ministers in Mrs Thatcher’s first administration are now dead, so the tidbit that the Minister in question is still alive narrows the field to about 10 suspects.

In any case involving multiple complainants the defence always strives hard to show that the complainants may have colluded with each other, or at least that later complainants knew of the substance of an earlier complaint, while the prosecution tries to show that such collusion or awareness is unlikely. Well, Exaro and the BBC together have comprehensively ensured that any future complainant will be aware of the detail of Nick’s complaint and his evidence will for that reason be devalued. In a nutshell, if a future witness relates similar details to Nick’s he will be accused of having learnt them from the BBC and Exaro interviews. It is on such issues that cases turn.

Barrister Blogger 16/11/14

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Transcript Of Audio Tape

Foreword.

Any transcription as difficult to hear, in places, as this is going to be open to interpretation. It is completely understandable that others may have different interpretations. We respect that and do not suggest that a different interpretation is more valid than our own. Nor do we dispute that what we have labeled as [inaudible] might be heard by keener ears.

For example, Exaro have quoted a passage  “The person was involved and that is why we had to seal the video.  And then the department, the superiors took over.”

We have down;

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Well, well that person was involved and, er, that’s why we had to seize the video

REPORTER
OK

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
And then, er, the department superiors took over and that’s the end of my [inaudible]

Minor differences.

Before The Telegraph story HERE and the knowledge that the customs officer was aware of a different incident, it is quite understandable that the journalist might have misinterpreted the customs officer’s answers. However, in the light of that story I think it is quite clear that both parties were at cross purposes.

Our understanding is that Paul Peachy of The Independent did not make a recording of his encounter and this is the only other interview with the customs officer that we know of in February.

For me this exchange near the end is telling, I’ve bolded this in the transcript.

REPORTER
Did you tell him [Paul Peachy] as well that it was him, or had you mentioned

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
No, I told him exactly what I am telling you, and I can’t say more than what I say already. All information, that’s the place in Dover [inaudible] you’ll be able to tell you what happened.

As I understand it, Paul Peachy walked away thinking he had nothing.

To me it is clear that the customs officer does not believe that he has told the journalist anything more.

For obvious legal reasons redactions have been made.

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 Duration: 18’ 47”

Note: This recording appears – from the audio quality (muffled and affected by clothes rustles) to have been covertly recorded. At no point does the reporter indicate to the EX CUSTOMS OFFICER that he is being recorded.
REPORTER
(Footsteps; ‘beep’ & rustle precede first audible words from reporter)
… from Amsterdam: do you recall ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Er [inaudible] something I er
[woman’s voice – inaudible]

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER

[inaudible] official er … I am bound by secrets act.

REPORTER
OK

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
I am not supposed to [inaudible] anything

REPORTER
OK

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Er if you [inaudible] about this, you’ll have to go to the right channel. [inaudible] I can’t really …

REPORTER
No, of course, and what I will do is I wouldn’t name you, I wouldn’t put anything to do with your identity …

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
[inaudible]

REPORTER
It’s just background information as to what the…

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
What sort of information ?

REPORTER
Well, what was contained on it ? ‘Cos we think that there might have been, erm, pornography involving children that would involving also mainly prominent people, erm, at the time in terms of like MPs, er, that kind of thing

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Why don’t you approach the department ?

REPORTER
We have. But it’s not, er which department – the

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Customs

REPORTER
Excise. Well, they said that they, erm,

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Did you go to right channel, like er, er, department in Dover ? They’re the people who have all the records. I am bound by Secrets Acts not to, not to disclose any sort of information in my career. So I hope you understand what I’m trying to tell you.

REPORTER
Of course. Of course. But would you be able to just sort of let me know, off, completely off the record: the material that was found on that coach involved videos of children, and it also involved children with a prominent MP.

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
[inaudible]

REPORTER
That MP, his name’s [REDACTED NAME].

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Yeah ?

REPORTER
Is that correct ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Um, hum

REPORTER
[inaudible] Have you spoken to the police ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Not recent

REPORTER
Did you speak to them at the time ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Er, hah, it’s a long time ago and as you probably know we get lots of these things and I was involved in quite a few. I can’t be [inaudible] one particular case. All records are kept at Dover: I think you’ve got to go there.

REPORTER
OK. Do you know whereabouts in Dover ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Yeah, it’s er, I’ll give you the address [inaudible] .. [lengthy pause – no dialogue just atmosphere]

REPORTER
Did you yourself view the, er, any of the footage of [inaudible]: did you have to sit down and watch what was on the videos

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Oh yeah, I can’t just seize them just like that. Er, you want to have address ? It’s HM Customs & Excise

REPORTER
Yeah

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Priory Court – P-R-I-O-R-Y Court, C-O-U-R-T, Johns Road, Saint Johns Road, Dover, CT 17

REPORTER
What was it, sorry ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
CT – T – 1 – 7, S for Sugar, H

REPORTER
H; OK
From what you remember, though, was there actually abuse taking place by this MP ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Sorry ?

REPORTER
Was the MP, [REDACTED NAME], er, actually abusing children on the video ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Well, I can’t disclose anything, sorry

REPORTER
No

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
I can’t disclose anything

REPORTER
Off the record, you’ve told me that he, it was [REDACTED NAME]

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
What I can suggest is that you can approach my [inaudible] there and ask for the details. Whatever the [inaudible] you and they’re supposed to tell you. But I am not supposed to tell you anything.

REPORTER
No. Well this is just off the record, it’s for research really

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Well, I can only, can’t say

REPORTER
But [REDACTED NAME]
[NB: it is not clear from the recording whether these three words are spoken by the reporter or the EX CUSTOMS OFFICER]

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Not everything

REPORTER
But [REDACTED NAME] was involved, was in, on one of the videos ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
I don’t understand, er, [pause] a long time ago. Some detail, whatever, I don’t know. But I think you’re right about this to go to Dover, and go to this place: they should have all my records, all the records of the event.

REPORTER
OK

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
So, rather than ask me, [inaudible] I might be telling you something or

REPORTER
No, no, what I’ll do is I’ll go and check, whatever you tell me now I’ll go and check the details. Er, this, this points, St Johns Road, HM Customs & Excise, Priory Court, is that an archive system ? Is that the archive ? The archive, the Customs Excise, this particular address here, is that the archive where they have all the information ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
[inaudible] er, our HQ in Dover
REPORTER
OK

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
As I say, this was long time ago; they might not have all the records at there, they might have forwarded it to London office, you know

REPORTER
Sure

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
But,er, your best bet is Dover.

REPORTER
But you remember watching the videos, you had to ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Well, as I say, you can’t just seize things without reason

REPORTER
Was there, was this an intelligence, this was tipped off from the Dutch intelligence ? Er,that tipped of the British police and the British Customs & Excise that this coach had a, did contain, erm, material involving children ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Sorry, I can’t say anything

REPORTER
Alright, OK

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
I’m bound by the [brief cross talk – inaudible] all the details will be kept, are kept when [inaudible] they should have all the information

REPORTER
And this, this, the only reason I ask about [REDACTED NAME], it says, under his name here it says [REDACTED NAME], one videocassette entitled [REDACTED NAME]. And it’s come to my attention that it might be, that it involves, so I’m told, it involves the MP [REDACTED NAME]

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Well, I say, well I recollect a complete, a complete list. It happened a long time ago and, er, so what [inaudible], so when another case comes along it is passed on to the head of headquarters and they are the people who will [inaudible] all the information. Because it’s something I don’t want to involved

REPORTER
No. Of course. Which is why you passed it on to some, which is why you passed it on to the police at the time in 1982. Erm, but they haven’t spoken to you recently.

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Who ?

REPORTER
The police

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
What for ?

REPORTER
For ? Because, because of who it might contain on the actual videos

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
A gentleman came yesterday and you are the next one. Prior to this I had no [inaudible] with anybody

REPORTER
Was the, was the gentleman who came yesterday police ? Or a journalist ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Journalist

REPORTER
Do you know where, was he from The Independent ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
[inaudible] Independent newspaper

REPORTER
Paul, his name was, wasn’t it, Paul Peachey. OK. And what did you say to Paul, did you tell him anything else about what

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
I said the same thing. And as I say, I’m bound by

REPORTER
Oh, no, no, I completely
EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
I, I can’t really, I can’t [inaudible] this particular case

REPORTER
No, OK, I understand that but, I mean is there any, having come from London I wanted, really wanted to sort of get a few

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
I understand but I

REPORTER
Look, if you, you, um, remember, can you tell me what you remember about it that you can, so and which I can, I can get checked [inaudible] this place in Dover.

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
[inaudible]

REPORTER
I was just wondering whether I could make a note of what you remember about this particular case so I can get this checked with Customs & Excise at St John’s Road in Dover

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
You’ve got enough details there, and if you contact the, er, Dover office where records are kept, they will know to what to tell you. Then, er, you know, you will get an idea what they are after

REPORTER
OK. Is it public record though – will they, er, to provide, ‘cos what I wanted to know, which they might not tell me, which I was hoping I might be able to get a, just a [inaudible]

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
You’ve got enough, enough [inaudible] there, once you mention my name and the date and the case, you know, they’ll be able to tell you what happened.

REPORTER
OK

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
And [inaudible] say where to go [inaudible]

REPORTER
Alright, well what they might not be able to tell me is who, what was on the video. Are you able to just sort of let me know if I’m barking up the wrong tree by

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Sorry, don’t, don’t try to force me because I can’t
REPORTER
No, no, no, you can’t tell me

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
No

REPORTER
But I’m not far wrong when I say certain members, certain MPs at the time, were included in those videos ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
[inaudible] because [inaudible] you can

REPORTER
Cabinet

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
[inaudible]

REPORTER
So it was [REDACTED NAME], wasn’t it [brief cross-talk – inaudible] he was part of the EC at the time

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
But as I say, I mean, I can’t, I can’t pinpoint everything

REPORTER
No

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
In reality my memory is failing me as well

REPORTER
No, of course

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
You know

REPORTER
Do you know, he was never, I don’t think [REDACTED NAME] was ever charged with anything

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Because if that case was passed on to our headquarters and then what happened I don’t know.

REPORTER
OK. Erm. And do you know and when you say it was Europe it was the European Commission, wasn’t it, EC ? Um. Do you know what was happening on it, was it, the one that [inaudible] that this member of the cabinet was abusing children or was just on a video ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
I can’t remember now.

REPORTER
Just that you might of, he was on the video

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Well, well that person was involved and, er, that’s why we had to seize the video

REPORTER
OK

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
And then, er, the department superiors took over and that’s the end of my [inaudible]

REPORTER
OK. And you saw him on the video ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
I can’t tell you that

REPORTER
OK. Well [inaudible] we, er, we haven’t gone to [REDACTED NAME] yet, we’re trying to sort of, might be the next port of call. He lives up in [REDACTED LOCATION] now [inaudible]. But you’ve certainly had no calls from the police, Yewtree, you remember Yewtree that was set up after the Jimmy Saville scandal ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
[inaudible]

REPORTER
They haven’t contacted you at all

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
No, no, no: nothing actually. The last thing was the gentleman came here [inaudible] that’s it.

REPORTER
Before that it was probably what, 80s ? 1982, when you last spoke to the police ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Er, I haven’t spoken since to anybody
REPORTER
OK. Um.

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
I mean this is, this was my job and it happened and everything was then sorted out then [inaudible] was closed. [inaudible]

REPORTER
Are you surprised though that [REDACTED NAME], never

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Pardon ?

REPORTER
Are you surprised that [REDACTED NAME] never, um, was facing any police investigation ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Nah

REPORTER
You weren’t surprised. Is that because it was perhaps a cover-up ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
It’s difficult to say

REPORTER
You can’t say because of, er. OK.
Er. Is there any contact number I can get, your phone number ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
My [inaudible] ?

REPORTER
Yeah, it’s er, it was just it, it will only be to check things with you, nothing more

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
It’s er, [REDACTED LOCATION]

REPORTER
And that’s [REDACTED TELEPHONE CODE], is that right ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
[REDACTED TELEHONE NUMBER]

REPORTER
Yeh.

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
[REDACTED TELEHONE NUMBER]

REPORTER
[REDACTED TELEHONE NUMBER]. OK

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
Could you, er, card or something ?

REPORTER
I’ll check. If I haven’t, I’ll leave you with all my contact details. I usually do carry some around with me but I’ve been, but I’ve had a bit of a clean out of the wallet. Er, [inaudible] my own, I’ve got other people’s business cards. But what I’ll do is I’ll write down all my contact details. Erm, do it on this.

[Lengthy pause – no dialogue, atmosphere only]

As I’ve said, everything you’ve told me is off the record. [inaudible] towards [REDACTED NAME], that’s off the record as well

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
That’s lovely, thank you [inaudible]

REPORTER
No, no, I understand completely. I mean his name’s come up a number of times and we’ve been told that it was his initials [REDACTED NAME] stood for [REDACTED NAME]. Um, but we didn’t know what was on the videos, whether or not it contained any abuse, or whether or not it was simply him, just somewhere in Amsterdam. Was it, was it taken in Amsterdam or was it

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
I can’t remember that now

REPORTER
No

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
I, I, you know, as I say [inaudible] long time ago which we get all this [inaudible]

REPORTER
Umhum

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
So, [REDACTED NAME] or whatever the name was this, er, [inaudible] anything else. At the time. It was so, [inaudible – hurried ?] could be anybody you know ? This is normal thing, the only thing [inaudible] it was a job and that’s all. Never thought that this would like, you know [inaudible]

REPORTER
No. But when you watched the video of him did you instantly recognise [inaudible] ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
I can’t tell you that, I don’t know. I can’t remember offhand now.
REPORTER
When did you find out that it was [REDACTED NAME] ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
You know we [inaudible], you know, I, I don’t think I can go on too much of that

REPORTER
Of course

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
It’s not fair, really

REPORTER
No, no, no, whatever you tell me is completely off the record, I’m not gonna mention your name or anything at all, it’s all off the record, but as I said , it was told to me that it was [REDACTED NAME]; you’ve seen a video of [REDACTED NAME], on a video containing, contained on that coach. Um. But we’ll do is that I’ll check that with, see if there’s any more details at that address that you gave me in Dover. Is that all the information, you can’t give me any more information ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
No, I can’t honestly; I’m not supposed to give you any. You can understand my position

REPORTER
Yeah, of course, of course. This, er, Paul, who spoke to you yesterday, did he mention [REDACTED NAME]’s name ?

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
[inaudible]

REPORTER
Did you tell him as well that it was him, or had you mentioned

EX CUSTOMS OFFICER
No, I told him exactly what I am telling you, and I can’t say more than what I say already. All information, that’s the place in Dover [inaudible] you’ll be able to tell you what happened

REPORTER
Yeah. Ok. [inaudible]

[Interview recording ends: no further dialogue – 39 seconds of atmos followed by cough and sniffs & sounds of door being opened or closed]

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Tim Tate Comments On The Exaro ‘Audio Tape’ Story

Tim Tate has been making documentaries, writing books and campaigning on this issue for more than 25 years. His commitment to exposing the truth about child abuse is unquestionable.
So, by all means doubt me but I hope you’ll pay more attention to Mr Tate who as you’ll read has actually listened to the audio tape.
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“Unless there is another recording, I have heard this encounter between Mr Solanki and an unnamed reporter in its entirety (18-plus minutes).
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Nothing in the recording I have heard (and listened to extremely carefully) supports or justifies Exaro’s story.  Mr Solanki refuses throughout to discuss the allegations made by the reporter, referring him constantly to Customs & Excise in Dover.
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Nor does he name the ex-cabinet minister: only the reporter does so, repeatedly pressing Mr Solanki to confirm.  Mr Solanki does not do so.
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There is a reason (other than the fear of breaching his duty of confidentiality) why Mr Solanki does not confirm the reporter’s allegations concerning the Tricker tapes.  That reason is that Mr Solanki has given a formal statement to the police telling the true story of what he does know about the ex cabinet minister: I wrote that story for the Daily telegraph: it can be viewed here.
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If Exaro has heard the recording as it claims then it must know that it’s allegations are false.  This is not the first time that Exaro has over-egged the pudding and published wildly inflated (and downright inaccurate) stories.  Doing so damages the credibility of those campaigning for proper investigation into this country’s shameful record of covering up child sexual abuse.”

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