Down the Rabbit Hole with Luis Elizondo. Global Existential Crisis and UFO Cults.

Often we hear mention of Galileo, the most famous advocate of Copernican heliocentrism, who in June 1633 was found by the Catholic Church to be “vehemently suspect of heresy”, his book Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems was banned, and he was placed under house arrest for the rest of his life. This is rightly held up as one of the clearest and egregious examples of censorship by authority and bears fair comparison to the failure of the scientific and academic communities to investigate UFOs over that last 70 years and ridicule and ostracise anyone from these communities that did investigate. However, Like the Catholic Church before who genuinely believed Copernican heliocentrism to be false and heretical, the scientific and academic communities genuinely believed that UFOs were a fiction and therefore not a subject for serious scientic investigation. In this they were ignorant and close minded but they were not, for the most part, guilty of attempting to suppress information which they knew to be true. This can not be said to be a fair representation of the positions of governments of developed nations around the world, more specifically the Government of the USA, who have had plenty of evidence over the last 70 years to support the conclusion that UFOs are genuine, and this even if we exclude the very real possibility of recovered wreckage and exotic materials. Obviously, there is an imperative to restrict access to possible advanced technology that might aid national defence, or compromise it if an adversary were to attain it. In this case, it can be reasonably argued, the Government is acting responsibly to protect its citizens from a possible physical threat, however, this is not the case when it comes to the disclosure of the existence of UFOs, this is the deliberate supression of knowledge and an altogether different historical example of censorship might be more useful here.

Charles Darwin and his evolutionary tree sketch 1837

A more appropriate historical example of censorship which bears comparison to the failure to disclose evidence of the existence and reality UFOs would be the self-censorship of Charles Darwin. By July 1837, less than a year after HMS Beagle docked at Falmouth after a 5 year voyage, Darwin was already sketching out a new theory of evolution, this more than 22 years before the publication of On the Origin of the Species, 22 years of increasing internal mental conflict and stress which led to debiltating psychosomatic illness throughout the rest of his life all caused, not because he, and he alone, understood the mechanism of evolution but because he understood the consequences to a Victorian society built on Christian faith of his new theory. The very first person Darwin confides in is to his friend Joseph Hooker in a letter in which he compares it to confessing to murder.

“…I have been now ever since my return engaged in a very presumptuous work & which I know no one individual who wd not say a very foolish one… At last gleams of light have come, & I am almost convinced (quite contrary to opinion I started with) that species are not (it is like confessing a murder) immutable… I think I have found out (here’s presumption!) the simple way by which species become exquisitely adapted to various ends.— You will now groan, & think to yourself ‘on what a man have I been wasting my time in writing to.’— I shd, five years ago, have thought so.— I fear you will also groan at the length of this letter—excuse me, I did not begin with malice prepense. Believe me my dear Sir | Very truly your’s | C. Darwin

Letter to Joseph Dalton Hooker [11 January 1844]

Given that at this time evolutionary theories were considered synonymous with revolution, Jacobinism, and atheism, Hooker’s reply was cautiously encouraging, “There may in my opinion have been a series of… gradual change of species. I shall be delighted to hear how you think that this change may have taken place, as no presently conceived opinions satisfy me on the subject.” By the summer of 1844, 15 years before the publication of the Origins, Darwin had written an 189 page essay but instead of publishing he instead wrote a letter to his wife, Emma Darwin, to be opened on the occasion of his death. It reads “I have just finished my sketch of my species theory. If, as I believe that my theory is true & if it be accepted even by one competent judge, it will be a considerable step in science. I therefore write this, in case of my sudden death, as my most solemn & last request…” Darwin then gives instructions on how to get his essay published. Over the next 15 years Darwin is always working on his theory, expanding and refining it, he lets his wife in on his secret and one or two close friends get a glimpse but otherwise it is a heavy burden of self censorship that he takes upon himself. It was only when Darwin received a paper from Alfred Russell Wallace in June 1848 describing natural selection that his hand was forced and a joint presentation of both Darwin’s and Wallace’s theories at the Linnean Society.

In Hindsite we can see that society adapted to this new theory of evolution but it wasn’t without social convulsions. The established Church of England which underpinned many British institutions was rocked to its core until after a few decades it accepted and adopted evolution as a chosen mechanism of God. The principles of natural selection and survival of the fittest were used to justify empirial colonialism, eugenics, social policy, and capitalist economics but it didn’t destroy the fabric of society as Darwin had feared.

We’ve all seen the movie. There is an apocalyptic event on the way and its in the balance whether we’re going to pull through. Our leaders decide that we’re all too fragile to be told the truth. If we were to be told, society will break down, there’ll be riots in the streets, shops will be looted, nobody will show up to work, wanton debauchery and gratuitous violence will be widespread ; and so we’re all kept in the dark, it’s for our own good you see? The world’s governments can then hatch a plan in secret which may or may not involve firing the planet’s combined nuclear arsenal at something or building huge underground bunkers, we’ll all be told once the plan has failed but we’ll have enough time to “make peace with our god” and be with our loved ones at the end. Well, we’re now near the beginning of that movie but instead of facing an Extinction Level Event humanity is facing a global existential crisis and the expert decision makers do not think the public can handle it and the really worrying thing about this is – that they may be correct.

Soon after the public version of UAP report to Congress was released a Reddit user called Gambitx posted his take. See below. [Many thanks to Akam1129 for his help. Great person to follow on Twitter]

I have no doubt that this post is from a former US Government official as he claims because of the tone of the message as much as what is actually said. I don’t want to analyse the entire message, for the purposes of this post I’m only interested in point number 3. On the Report itself I’d only wish to remind readers of what I wrote in a previous post An Examination of the Factions in Opposition to UAP Disclosure that I believe the thrust of the well organised campaign which has been headed by Lue Elizondo since 2017 is to reassert democratic oversight and accountability and proper chain of command on the UAP issue and some disclosure to the public is a corollary of that effort. I would, however, take issue with what Gambit6x has to say about expectation management when it seems clear to me that some influential and connected people have been raising expectations about the report prior to its release because public expectation was, and still is, useful leverage. I’ve no problem with that but it is then a bit rich for some within the UFO Community to be superior and patronising to those who are disappointed by the reality of the report’s content.

3. What else is at stake? My take. The people’s state of mind. The general public is unpredictable and the government wants to spoon feed information on the subject in order to maintain calm and control of the situation. This allows them to ensure that there are no unexpected riots or revolutions.


Gambit6x doesn’t claim to have inside knowledge on this specific issue only an understanding of how government operates and how much of what he’s written is hyperbole is difficult to gauge. Nevertheless, it begs the question, what exactly could people become so agitated by? Why would the US Government think that the public needed protecting? I’d suggest three possibilities:

  • The certain knowledge that non-human beings with superior intelligence and technology exist.
  • The certain knowledge that the US Government, among others, have withheld information about UFOs for 70 years and mislead the public.
  • A global existential crisis as a result of a better understanding of reality gained after examining the science behind UAPs and related phenomena.

It is the last of these three possibilities that I want to look at in this post. I’m now going to be referencing a remarkable interview with Lue Elizondo by Curt Jaimungal on his youtube channel Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal What I really like about Curt Jaimungal’s work is that in much of it he is looking at the importance of consciousness and in that I think he is ahead of the curve on where understanding of UAPs may eventually lead us.

Lue Elizondo: “I don’t want to go down any rabbit holes prematurely… This is a very complex universe we’re living in, and it’s a system, and we’re learning more and more about the reality of life, and the transition of what birth means and the transition of what death means,… and human consciousness and human spirit… Suffice it to say, we probably don’t have a very good handle right now on what lies beyond our five senses”

Interview with Lue Elizondo by Curt Jaimungal

Just think about that statement for a moment and bear in mind this is coming from someone with double majors in Microbiology and Immunology and minors in Chemistry from the University of Miami, and a 20 year career in army intelligence, before heading AATIP. Lue Elizondo is not a hippy, he is a serious individual with a solid scientific background. The transitions of birth and death suggests a movement from one state to another. From an unknown state to birth and from death to an unknown state. This is the kind of language we’d normally expect in a spiritual context and not a scientific context. Before looking at another passage of the interview it is worth while noting the phrase “I don’t want to go down any rabbit holes prematurely” it suggests that it is too soon, that people need to get used to, and accept, the idea of UFOs before addressing these difficult issues but that is our ultimate destination. Here is some more from the interview in answer to this question from the Lonesome Space Cowboy; “If the general public knew, or saw what you saw, what would the next week look like? How would the people react?”

Lue Elizondo: Sombre… I think there would be this big exhale for about a day and then this turning inward and trying to reflect on what this means to us and our species, and ourselves… Sombre meaning serious, not like Hollywood portrays people partying in the streets and silliness like that. I think you would have some people perhaps turning to religion more so, you might have some people turning away from religion. I think you’re going to have… at that point the philisophical and theological questions will be raised and people will have some serious soul searching to do, no pun intended. And I don’t think that’s bad, by the way. I think that a lot of folks that have spent their time in this community being charlatans will have been exposed and they will probably be unemployed, and probably have to change their names because, you know, the rest of society will look at them in an unfavourable light. I think there are some unsung heroes that will probably come to light and the world will appreciate their contributions to this topic. I think the scientific community and academic communities are going to have to take a real hard look at themselves and see why we repeated the same mistakes we did when Galileo first proposed that the Earth was not the centre of the solar system. Hubris is a big part of that. And then I think, you know, that we start the international conversations, say “OK, we realise that there are some things out there that are probably well beyond our petty discrepancies we have with each other, maybe we need to start working together on this and realise that we really are a global family” It doesn’t matter where you’re from, it doesn’t matter what your religion is, your culture or your colour is or anything else, we are all brothers and sisters on this tiny little rock called Earth, you know this pale blue dot that is hurtling through space.

Curt Jaimungal: It may unify us?

Lue Elizondo: Well , I would certainly hope so. Unless we allow our poor nature to interfer and we look at this as opportunities to subjugate each other. I would hope that’s not the case.

Interview with Lue Elizondo by Curt Jaimungal

Honestly, I could write an entire article just attempting to unpick that reply. I think the section, “people will have some serious soul searching to do, no pun intended.” is very interesting, why would we think it was a pun, it is a common enough phrase? This, along with the previous comments about transition to birth and from death and reference to “human consciousness and human spirit” is a glimpse into Elizondo’s thinking, If the general public knew what he knew we’d believe in the continuity of consciousness outside of life, something analogous to a soul. I’m darn curious to know who exactly Elizondo considers to be Charlatans, he specifies them initially as from within “this community” and so I first assumed he meant charlatans within the UFO community but then, them becoming unemployed, having to change their names, and having “the rest of society” think ill of them seems a little extreme. Having watched quite a few interviews with Lue Elizondo I don’t believe this is bitterness or nastiness towards those people who disagree with him. I get the impression that he’s a little irritated by these people and frustrated that they’re the cause of division within the UFO Community, as he views it, but the term Charlatan implies fraud and deceit not simply opposition. Alternatively, It could be that Elizondo is using the word community as a synonym of society in which case what could possibly incur those extreme consequences? I’m not going to attempt to guess who these people are because I don’t have a clue but if you know, or think you do, then please email me at or leave a comment below because I am very interested.

For those who haven’t read my previous post, ‘Thro’ Narrow Chinks of the Cavern’- Evolution, Quantum Mechanics, and Skinwalker Ranch. now might be the time to read it as some background because we are now re-entering the world of Skinwalker Ranch, a place where the paranormal is just undiscovered science. Skinwalker could lay claim to being the birth place of AAWSAP (Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Application Program) sister program of AATIP. When a DIA agent, referred to as JL, wth PHD in physics and math visited Skinwalker Ranch in 2007.

“JL was in the living room of the former NIDS double wide observation trailer/staff quarters. A 3D object appeared in mid-air in front of him and changed shape like a changing topological figure. It went from pretzel-shaped to Möbius strip shaped. It was 3D and multi-colored. Then it disappeared.”

Dr Eric Davis – UfoJoe
A Möbius strip has a shape with only one side

Following this event JL would relate his experience to Senator Harry Reid who would meet with Senators Daniel Inouye and Ted Stevens. They agreed to provide funding for AAWSAP and then AATIP. JL would be Luis Elizondo’s predecessor as director of AATIP. So, AAWSAP and AATIP could be said to have been conceived following an apparition or materialisation before a DIA scientist at Skinwalker Ranch and so we must recognise that those most intimately involved with unravelling the science behind UAPs are inclined to do so in the context of larger scientific understanding of reality that can explain such apparitions as well as other phenomena alleged to have been witnessed at Skinwalker Ranch such as poltergeist like activity, telepathic messaging, invisible objects emitting destructive magnetic fields, inter-dimensional portals, and cryptozoology.

Lue Elizondo: I worked with colleagues that were focused on the AAWSAP and Skinwalker phenomena. What I can say is that they are very convinced and I think that I am too that there are things that probably go bump in the night that probably need further explanation… That was done with the tremendous efforts of Mr Bigelow and the former AAWSAP Director (JL) and a lot of folks at Bigelow Aerospace and the data was very compelling. I’ll say that, it was absolutely compelling.

Interview with Lue Elizondo by Curt Jaimungal
Can you name the actor and film?

I’ve been open about the fact that I’ve really only been delving into the topic of UAPs for about 6 weeks now. Of course, like a lot of people, I’ve had a passing interest in the subject and an occasional deeper foray when something piqued my interest. One of the first areas I naively looked into was what the intelligent beings that operated UAPs might have communicated to humans and thus I stumbled upon the phenomenon, whether genuine or cultural, of Contactees. I always begin looking at something with an open but sceptical mind and I accept that my research is very limited. My first thoughts after reading some of these messages was that a ‘contactee’ with a theological or philisophical outlook was likely to receive messages that confirmed this unconscious bias but then I had to acknowledge that I could be looking through the telescope the wrong way around and that if a form telepathic communication did exist, possibly assisted by technology which allowed communication between beings with different languages (like a babel fish) then such communication would have to utilise the limited concepts and vocabulary that the ‘contactee’ possessed and this might look like confirmation bias. Anyway, my point in raising the issue of contactees is not to make any argument for it, I remain an open minded sceptic but I want to note that many of the alleged contactee communications could be reinterpreted using some of the scientific concepts currently being used to explain UAPs and Skinwalker Ranch phenomena and appear surprisingly relevant. The scientic concept of vibrating strings in string theory and graduating to a new level of consciousness for example. If the religiousity and spirituality is stripped away does it still all look implausible ?

Here is a sample of different alleged contactee communications:

“We have aided many other planets within this general vibratory level. The aid is given to this level by us because we are, shall we say, at the next level of awareness, and are best able to communicate to those people who wish to enter into understanding which we share.”

“We have dealt with many planets who are beginning a new phase of vibration. We have aided many a graduating class, and we have done so successfully. We have also failed, not once but several times. It is completely possible for us to fail if it be the will of the people of the planet we are attempting to aid.”

“We come because we feel the desire that brings us here. And we give what aid we can to those who wish it. Our thoughts are available to those who desire them. However, we attempt to do this in such a way that no individual is ever in a position where he cannot accept or deny our thinking as he so pleases. Those who are vibrating within the level that will appreciate the information that we give surely recognize that which is truth.”

“At the present time, we are far behind where we had hoped to be at this point while helping planet Earth. We had hoped to have been much more successful at reaching the people of this planet. It is possible that there will be a smaller graduation than we had hoped.”

“Our purpose in coming at this time is to help speed up these reactions so you will be prepared for the change-over in the Earth’s frequency. This is taking place over a number of years.”

“Many of your people are being affected mentally and spiritually in a discomforting way, and some of them in a very spiritual way.”

“The program that is in operation is to prepare the Earth for a major rise in consciousness, to what you call Christ awareness but what we term communication with Universal Energy.”

“They are making themselves known to the world as a whole to lead mankind thereby into a New Age as the Earth enters the more intense vibrations of Aquarius.”

“To sum up just what Flying Saucers are, we would say that they are mechanical devices intelligently controlled by men like ourselves. These men originate from many planets and planes and although they are different from one another in spiritual evolvement…”

Secrets of the UFOs by Don Elkins With Carla Rueckert

As Lue Elizondo has stated previously the alleged phenomenon of contactees is extremely subjective. I’m inclined not to believe in contactee evidence myself but I think it would have been remiss of me not to mention it in the context of this article. What do you think? When we know that apparitions and telepathic communications have been investigated by scientists at Skinwalker Ranch and that such an apparition actually precipitated the creation of AAWSAP, is it time to look again at contactee evidence?

Regardless of whether contactees are genuine or not, they have had an undeniable cultural impact because it was as a direct consequence of the contactee movement that UFO religions and cults began to emerge.

When we look at the language I’ve quoted Lue Elizondo using above and the kind of science that is necessary to explain UAPs – a phenomena now acknowledged by the US Government – is it really so hard to see that a global existential crisis may be imminent and why the public might need to be protected?

Elizondo: “I think you would have some people perhaps turning to religion more so, you might have some people turning away from religion.” What kind of religion will they turn to?

In my personal view UFO religions and cults fall into two catagories. The dangerous like Scientology and The Nation of Islam and the deadly, the suicide cults like Heaven’s Gate and the Order of the Solar Temple. All UFO religion/cults seem to me to involve an unholy interest in assuming a member’s wealth, coercion, isolating members from those outside the religion/cult, and a degree of brainwashing but the very worst of them are able to persuade members to commit crimes ranging from suicide, murder, to mass murder. Some even want to bring about an apocolypse.

This is a long post, my apologies. We began by looking at Charles Darwin who self-censored for at least 15 years because he was, in part, concerned about the consequences of his theory of evolution on the fabric of Victorian society and we’ve ended up, via some very thoughtful and thought provoking comments from Lue Elizondo, Skinwalker Ranch, and Contactee transcripts, at the end with UFO suicide cults.

You’ll recall above, after looking at the comment left by Gambit6x on reddit, I asked, Why the US Government might think that the public needed protecting?

Not everyone is going to cope with disclosure, and if Luis Elizondo is correct, it seems likely to me that not everyone is going to cope well if one day, in the not too distant future, a new reality is revealed to them and their entire belief system is destroyed. At times of great stress the fight or flight mechanism kicks in which in this case could translate into violent anger or fear and despair. Understanding the nature of reality doesn’t necessarily help us to adjust to it.

I’m not suggesting that there should be any censorship on this issue but I do hope that those that want disclosure can acknowledge that the bottom of this rabbit hole might be a very dark place for many people, especially those with pre-existing mental health problems.

Thank you once again if you reached the end. This is a longer post and I appreciate readers stying with it. Please share if you found it interesting or useful. Leave a comment if you want to add something that you think that other readers would find useful or email me at if you want me to correct something.

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