An Examination of the Factions in Opposition to UAP Disclosure

Before I start I’d just like to thank all those people who were kind enough to share my last post. If I’m honest this blog has been dormant for a few years and I was a little concerned that nobody would read it and so I’m very grateful to readers who said complimentary things about it and shared it with others. Many thanks!

“When I was contacted by the New York Times, they said they wanted to do a story on UFOs and the money you got, the $22 million. And I said I am happy to do that story, as long as we are not talking about little green men. If you want to talk about science, I’m all in. And that is how I looked at this.”

Former Senator Harry Reid

There seems to be little doubt that an effort is being made to rebrand a certain kind of phenomena. Out go UFOs and ‘Little Green Men’, and in come UAPs and Non-Human Entitities (NHE) or’Not From Here’ and I think this speaks to how well organised this disclosure process is being managed despite the quasi-insurgent nature of the insider movement towards responsible disclosure. It would appear that such a movement has either not existed, or failed to successfully organise, in the previous 70 years and so it seems reasonable to ask why that is and why it is now having some success.

Before continuing I should just admit that this is obviously just my take. I do not consider myself to be an expert in any way, shape, or form. If I’m wrong then I welcome corrections either in the comments below or privately by email at I’m just one person attempting to make sense of the current and past ‘UFO’ Chessboard.

…I think for some people… it was too much of a pill to swallow. I remember distinctly given a briefing to one senior and after having the pilots there and all the evidence and reporting, at the end of the day he just couldn’t process it… Some individuals have a problem with this topic because it conflicts with their philisophical or maybe theological belief system.

Luis Elizondo

Luis Elizondo goes on to tell the story, in this interview with The Basement Office (Part 1) of a senior Pentagon official who wanted Elizondo to stop looking at UFOs because, as he said, they were demonic.

When I first heard these comments I thought that Luis Elizondo was telling a couple of the more extreme examples of opposition that he faced while director of AATIP. I now believe that Elizondo was actually using these examples to illustrate the two broad factions that have existed for a while on this subject and constitute the two factions that are currently roadblocks to disclosure. Elizondo suggests that the first group are overwhelmed by the reality of UAPs, we’ll be kind and call these people sceptics, people who might dismiss or even ridicule the entire possibility of UFOs. The second broad grouping are fundamentalist Christians who believe that UFOs have a demonic anti-Christian origin. Until I understood that these two factions had dominated the USA’s official response to UFOs since the 1950s, I couldn’t grasp how a cover-up of such a colossal magnitude could have taken place. I was familiar with Eisenhower’s warning about the military/industrial complex…

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military/industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

President Eisenhower Jan 17th 1961

I can recognise that the military/industrial complex might provide a shadow environment within which a cover-up could evolve and mature but what about those involved? We could call them Men in Black for ease. I think any reasonable person would be sceptical that a 70 year conspiracy to cover-up the existence of UFOs which must have necessitated the involvement of thousands has been the reality but what if individuals were either vetted for their religious beliefs to ensure that their interpretation of the UFO phenomena would be demonic before disclosure? If this group, almost like a secret society, inducted only fundamentalists Christians and had a conscious or unconscious bias promotng their own within various government organisations, then this would act as a powerful mechanism for creatingA very loyal, secretive, and heirarchical faction within government. I’d suggest that a sincere believer would always put their God first before their country regardless of how patriotic they are, it is one of the reasons why Western Democracies do not ask citizens to choose between the two.

Richard Dolan: A number of years ago, Nick Redfern wrote a book about the so-called Collins Elite, which s essentially what he defined was a group of religious Christian, perhaps evangelical Christians within military that see UFOs as demonic. Now is that what you’re kind of referring to, indirectly?

Lue Elizondo: That’s precisely what I’m referring to. Look, radicalismis radicalism. It doesn’t atter if it’s Islam or Christianity, or Judaism or anything else.

Richard Dolan: So there’s a certain percentage of people within the military and intel community who do believe in UFOs but they think that they’re demonic entities. That’s essentially…

Lue Elizondo: Yes…

Richard Dolan, Luis Elizondo interview. Transcript UfoJoe

So, we’re left with two broad groups of people, those that are overwhelmed by, or perhaps sceptical of, the subject of UFOs and those who take a Christian fundamentalist position on UFOs. When you think about it, it really isn’t difficult to guess which of these two broad groupings engaged with the UFO subject and which wanted nothing to do with it and, as a consequence, which grouping came to dominate the secret research and the distribution of any findings.

Above, Richard Dolan mentions The Collins Elite, which according to Nick Redfern’s book, FINAL EVENTS and the Secret Government Group on Demonic UFOs and the Afterlife, was the unofficial name of a group of fundamentalist Christians within government who investigated UFOs and paranornal activity with the perspective that they had a demonic origin and that this group was formed when Project Blue Book was terminated, so around Dec 17th 1969. In this fairly recent Open Minds Interview with Nick Redfern the author suggest that there were two porous groups that he had become aware of. The first was looking at demonology and attempting to weaponise it for the US military and the second were investigating UFOs, believed that they had a demonic origin, and that disclosure would lead to Armageddon. That the Roswell crash was a demonic false flag, an attempt by dark forces to seduce mankind and lure them into exploring avenues that would lead to the opening of portals which would allow the demons into our world. As a result many, but by no means all, in this group were fanatically opposed to the disclosure of existence UFOs. This is a simplistic synopsis but I think it is a fair summary.

I’m suggesting that this is just one small sub-group within the US Government and not one of the 4 larger Secret Access Programs involving private companies related to UFO/UAP research that have been speculated about but The Collins Elite is a possible window into the philosophy and theology of other groups.

“The following is conjecture. Sources tell me that this is merely the tip of the iceberg. A group of four related, but separate, unacknowledged SCI programs tracing back to a 1947 Truman memorandum still exist and were housed, as of the 1990s, in major aerospace companies such as, for example: Lockheed, TRW, Raytheon, Aerospace Corp. etc. These would be expensive programs since the cost of secrecy can be several times higher than the research. The [AATIP] program has no relation to these four, much better funded, deep black ones. Indeed, the black programs collectively have budgets in the $10B ranch and up. Topics apparently include both reverse engineering and extraterrestrial biology…”

Astrophysicist Bernard Haisch, PhD, 2018 (I can’t identify original source for this quote)

I’m going to posit that for much of the last 70 years the official research and response to UFOs in the USA was undertaken by a loose faction of fundamentalist Christians if only because these were, more or less, the only people prepared to engage with the subject but that over the last 20 years at least, as our understanding of the science that might explain the phenomena has improved, another faction has emerged. I’ll call this faction Agnostics, not because they are necessarily theologically agnostic individuals but because they are agnostic with regards to the relationship between UFOs and religion. An Agnostic does not dismiss that there may be a connection between UFOs and religion but does not assume that there is. These people take a scientific approach to the subject. As scientific understanding has improved this faction has grown and they’ve discovered that the fundamentalist Christian faction is unwilling to relinquish their control over the subject.

My best guess is that at some point, certainly by the time former Senator Harry Reid took an interest but possibly before that, serious and legitimate concerns began to be raised regarding the democratic accountability of US Govenment funded Secret Access Programs related to UAPs/UFOs and that AATIP, responsible to the Executive Branch and not the DoD, was an effort to reassert democratic oversight over an area of research which, on the one hand, due to US military’s technological improvements was providing increasingly better data and, on the other hand, due to a more sophisticated understanding of the science that may be related to the phenomena was suggesting alternative, possibly more rational, explanations.

However, it doesn’t look like AATIP got very much cooperation. Once again, this from Luis Elizondo’s interview on The Basement Office embedded above., Steven Greenstreet asks about whether there was proactive suppressing or limiting of what Elizondo (AATIP) could do because of theological conflicts on the subject of UFOs within the Pentagon, he responds

“I had to be very careful. I really had to operate in the shadows more than ever. I was used to doing it because of my job [USAISA] but I wasn’t used to running operations inside my own organisation but that is what we had to wind up doing because there were people who were certainly against this effort and only because of their, again, philisophical belief system…”

The Basement Office

“…The AATIP did find the UFO crash retrieval program, via official channels, but was denied access to it because the AATIP itself is not a SAP. Senator Harry Reid petitioned the DoD to confer SAP status to the AATIP but the DoD denied his request.”

Astrophysicist Bernard Haisch, PhD, 2018 (I can’t identify original source for this quote)

I’ll speculate that at some point Luis Elizondo and Senator Harry Reid, among many others with a simiar ‘agnostic’ mindset, became so frustrated by the bureaucracy within which these factions had become entrenched that a plan was hatched to push the subject out into the open. I’ll again speculate that the preparation for this began before Luis Elizondo’s resignation with the declassification of some data so that Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Requests could lawfully retrieve information and put it into the public domain. The actual reason for Elizondo’s resignation from AATIP, that the Secretary of Defence, General Mattis, was not being briefed on what Elizondo considered a potential national securirty threat though I’m sure was genuine, also gave him and those that support him in his role as both spokesman and lightening rod, very solid ground from which to proceed.

I’m not going to go over all the leaks and informed FOIA requests that have followed Elizondo’s 2017 resignation , It has been a competent and well-prepared campaign which has wrong footed the bureaucracy and factions. I do suggest people read this article on The Debrief ‘Inspector General Will Have a Critical Role in the ‘UFO Mystery’ which gives valuable insights into how the bureaucracy is struggling to adjust. I think that although some disclosure that doesn’t prejudice US National Security is going to be the result, it is important to bear in mind that the thrust of this campaign is democratic oversight and accountability It coopts the public with its promise of disclosure but it serves a greater public good by empowering and informing their elected representatives. I’ll make a prediction here. I expect that there will be more leaks and informed FOIA requests going forward and more considered reports to come. This Pentagon Report, both the Public one and the more comprehensive one to Congress, is an important waypoint for this disclosure campaign but not a final destination. Woe betide those that attempt to mislead Congress or withhold information from them. My prediction is that that would be a foolish and costly mistake. As this article by Christopher Mellon Questions for Congress Regarding the Pending UAP Report demonstrates, Congress will not be short of extremely informed individuals more than happy to point out any oversights.

I’d like to circle back and look again at the Richard Dolan interview with Luis Elizondo. It really is a very good interview which I recommend without reservation. Richard Dolan is very impressive. I’ve watched a few of his videos and I really like the way he thinks, he’s objective with an extraordinary depth of knowledge. I’m using the transcript on which is a fantastic resource . At the point where there is a discussion about the fundamentist Christian faction Elizondo makes a concerted, and I believe sincere, defence of them. He also suggests a legal amnesty for those responsible for withholding information on UAPs in the past. I think there are two reasons for this. The first is strategic, as Sun Tzu remarked in The Art of War “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.” and I think that Elizondo is attemping to give those who oppose disclosure an honourable and painless exit from the conflict. The second reason why he’s being so generous is for a reason that, as someone who has only been looking at this for a month or so, seems incredible and a little disturbing and that is that the difference between a demon who emerges from a portal and is able to telepathically message a person or bring forth a vision and an inter-dimensional entity who emerges from a portal and is able to telepathically message a person or bring forth a vision is determined by the philisophical perspective somebody has.

I think for now that is a good place to stop. To go further would mean to look at Skinwalker Ranch and Quantum physics and that would result a post twice as long as this one. I will say that I much prefer my UAPs to be operated by Extraterrestrials who might use a wormhole to get here rather the weirder stuff but I’ve no idea where this process of disclosure will lead,

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3 responses to “An Examination of the Factions in Opposition to UAP Disclosure

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  2. caballodetroy

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  3. Steveski Clarke

    Then there are those of us, who simply would not care except for the amazing technical capabilities demonstrated to, and reported by, pilots and other “less likely to lie” people.
    We just collect and sift the evidence looking for clues about how the drive system works. for a decade or so.
    Then we start building hardware.

    If I’d had more money, or even just some practical help with the parts I find more difficult, I reckon I’d have it in the bag by now… As soon as you go looking for that help or money, then it all goes wrong very quickly, as anyone will tell you, so it has to be a solo effort.

    My effort is at the “it works” stage, now all we need is better efficiency, so as it becomes practical to use.. (admittedly quite a lot of extra efficiency, but so did aircraft at the beginning, and look where we are now..)