Child abuser Lord Greville Janner of Braunstone has died only 9 months after requesting in writing that he continue to sit in the House of Lords. He had spent the last 25 years avoiding justice for the crimes he committed against young boys and has died just four months before a ‘trial of the facts’ which was set to conclusively demonstrate that Greville Janner was a sick child abusing bastard.
Sources familiar with the ‘trial of the facts’ had told The Needle that about 100 witnesses were due to give evidence against Janner and that the evidence was overwhelming.
Questions will now be asked about whether Leicestershire police and the CPS conspired to protect Janner by failing to prosecute him earlier and whether the delay as a consequence of the DPP Alison Saunders original decision not to prosecute Janner earlier this year allowed Janner to escape justice one last time.
Greville Janner was scum. Those that protected him are scum, and those who are friends of his and wish to eulogise his passing are also scum.
Only Janner’s victims deserve sympathy.
Once again, the Establishment can breath a sigh of relief, knowing as they do so that the sick perverted crimes documented by the conclusive prosecution case against one of their own, will remain out of the press.
Lord Janner, the former Labour peer ruled unfit to stand trial over child sexual abuse allegations, has died.
He had been suffering from dementia and died peacefully at his home on Saturday aged 87, his family said.
The peer had been accused of 22 counts of sex offences against boys – allegations his family denied.
A “trial of the facts” set for April will no longer take place. A lawyer representing alleged victims said they had been denied justice.
Liz Dux, who represents six alleged victims, said: “This is devastating news for my clients. They have waited so long to see this case come before the courts, to be denied justice at the final hurdle is deeply frustrating.”
The Goddard inquiry, which is examining child sexual abuse claims, may now examine the allegations, the BBC’s Tom Symonds said.
It had set aside the case while it was being dealt with in the courts
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I hope they have showers in hell. He might even share with one Sir J. Savile.
And that he drops the soap……
Has the lying child molesting bastard been buried yet or is it a secret ?
I won’t believe his dead until they wheel out his body. Funny thing how these paedos kick it a matter of weeks before trail.
I reckon they’re all flown back to Israel.
I feel vehemently that the trial of facts should go ahead and that Janners family must devide his estate amongst his victims thus setting a precedent whereby a trial of facts is held in the event of overwhelming evidence like this revolting man had against him whether a suspect is dead or not and the outcome in the event of a guilty verdict (or whatever the legal term is in a trial of facts is) the rotten slimes estate is decided amongst his victims.
Any decent family would be eager for this to happen to clear their own consciouses at least.
I have no time for families who apologise for or cover for peadophile relatives. They are a cancer in ones family and should be cut out.
I agree with a previous commentator that there are lots of ways to die I don’t see how him dying proved that he had dementia. And in this case plenty of people would have been quaking in their shiney shoes at the thought of a trial of facts.
Plenty of people are accessories to the crimes when it went on over this period of time with three red lights flashing on three different occasions .
Apologists you don’t look fair or level headed when your rubbing your metaphorical beards and wagging your finger in a patronising way at the rest of us. You just look bad and credulous in the face of such massive amounts of evidence.
I think that too. Also were Janner and Britton really on opposing sides politically or just strategically placed?
100 witness according to the cps there was 22.
22 charges. I wrote that there were due to be about 100 witnesses at the ‘trial of the facts’. This was almost exactly repeated on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme which said ‘just over 100 witnesses’.
It didn’t take long for the comments section in this Guardian article on Janner and the justice system to come to a close, presumably because the great majority of comments were far too close to the bone.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/20/greville-janner-abuse-law-death
Let’s be honest, the Survivors were always going to be denied justice, this wasn’t just about Janner, it is also about the whole stinking system which has supported and covered up for his kind. There is no way the Establishment will let this house of cards fall, they made that quite clear when Janner was given that standing ovation in 1991 and who was it again that led that ovation..it stinks!
I’m so angry and feel deeply saddened that justice has yet again been denied to all Survivors, one can only imagine what they must be feeling. It is so important that the Goddard inquiry does not become yet another Government whitewash.
The establishment are comfortably all over this, it’s under control and they’re sleeping easy; unlike the victims, who will never get justice.
We need to remind ourselves we are governed by criminals and there is no depth to which they won’t stoop to obscure their criminality.
Strange. Like Leon Brittan, another ‘convenient death’ just as both were backed into a corner with nowhere else to run. And of course the Janner family fortune (like Brittan’s) remains intact as his estate now passes to his “children” and descendents who cannot be held responsible for the ‘sins of the father’ – which of course means the Janner family are in no danger of ever having to hand over one (richly-deserved) penny of their inheritance to the victims.
Col. Mustard in the bedchamber with a pillow if you ask me.
If Goddard gets the case, we’ll have a chance to see how she shapes up. If she’s as good as those in the Australian equivalent Royal Commission on csa, it could be better than court. She could hold a public hearing and let all the survivors who wished to have their day to be heard without being harangued by barristers and she could call to account those who have helped cover up.
“Greville Janner… theres only one ‘Lord’ down here… whilst on Earth you comitted over 1000 acts of rape and buggery on young boys… time to meet Jimmy Hills chin… IN HELL!”
(i know what ya’ll thinking… ‘yeah you would make a pretty good Satan’! Goota be inventive in this lne of wprk!)
Once again the rich get away with everything money buys you things to cover up as usual.
An article I missed when it first was published:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3138264/Lord-Janner-paedophile-ring-son-s-elite-school-Labour-peer-s-link-institution-teachers-abused-boys.html
Let’s hope that Janner’s death encourages those with information to now reveal it.
Please – show some compassion.
The poor man is dead.
It is obvious now that he has been suffering
from paedophilia for a very long time.
His victims suffered due to his paedophilia.
Remember that Frank Beck died of food poisoning in prison. Convenient for many.
Always thought the Beck case odd. Seemed fit going in, less than a year, dead. But TPTB couldn’t afford to have him somehow emerge from his multiple life sentences (another oddity, who gets that in Britain?) and telling what he knew in case someone actually investigated Janner.
Anyone who watches “Forensic Detectives” knows just how easy it is to bump someone off without arousing suspicion – not that there were too many questions asked at the time but those were the days before the internet and social media when it was a few obscure lines in a paper one day and gone forever the next. That’s how they managed to keep a lid on it so long.
Changed days!
Why should the Trial of Facts not go ahead? Why does Janner’s death make any difference to the overwhelming public need to know the truth? This trial was never about protecting the public or past victims from Janner – he was clearly past the point of being a danger to children himself. It was about understanding what he did, how he got away with it, who helped him get away with it, whether they are still alive and in positions of authority, who else they protected and why, and therefore what must be done now to prevent this same protection being afforded to more abusers like Janner. Something is deeply wrong here and to suggest that there is nothing more that can be done is as cowardly as it is immoral.
And before we accept the line that Janner’s death proves anything about his dementia or his guilt, let’s not forget that there are various ways a man can die, natural causes only being one of these. Is it not at all noteworthy Gojam that so many high-profile individuals implicated in ‘historical’ child abuse investigations died shortly before they or others went on trial? You could probably do a better job than I at listing them. I would merely suggest that there would appear to be individuals still out there that would go to any lengths to prevent the truth from coming out, and officials still happy to use legal or parliamentary process to help them achieve this.
“Why?”, you ask – and it is a very valid question. I do not profess to possess a definitive answer to it, but I imagine that a trial for which taxpayers would have to stump up a small fortune and which could never result in the conviction of the accused because he was dead before it even began would be one for which some such taxpayers might well raise complaints about a different kind of abuse, namely that of taxpayers’ funds when no justice, remedy or redress could possibly result, whatever the outcome.
It may be a poor and perhaps inappropriate analogy but, to me, the comparison with suicide bombers who can likewise never be tried for the crimes of which they could otherwise be accused (at least in democratic nations where the justice system might allow for this in principle) is by no means irrelevant, for those who are prepared to die for their crimes before any judicial system could ever try them are not by definition so very different either from war criminals who do not get brought to justice until they’re so old that any punishment following conviction would be more or less meaningless or indeed from cases like Janner and Brittan who conveniently die before judicial process can even commence, let alone prevail.
The principal lesson to be learnt in such cases is surely that, if the criminal justice system consistently fails over decades to bring to book people suspected of such grave crimes as those of which Janner has been accused, it has only itself to blame, so those to whom that system is supposed to be publicly accountable need themselves to be brought to due account; OK, doing that – even successfully – will no more help victims of abuse than will justice being done and being seen to be done in respect of perpetrators who are still alive (such as Rolf Harris whose punishment for his crimes has not noticeably been mitigated on account of his age), but the very point of having what is supposedly a democratic justice system will continue to be undermined if that system continues all too often to show itself to be insufficiently accountable for its actions and inactions.
All that said, I see no reason IN PRINCIPLE to justify cancelling the Trial of Facts in this case; it’s just that its conduct will inevitably be expensive and protracted and it can never result in anyone being convicted and punished, so the ultimate result, whatever it might be, will have to embrace and come to terms with
(a) a tacit admission of defeat on the part of the judicial system
(b) the fact that Janner will be unpunished by reason of his prior death and
(c) no closure for the victims or their families and friends.
The principal lesson to be learnt in such cases is surely that “The Magic Circle of Lawyers look their own”.
I’m guessing you’re a lawyer of some kind? A judge even…?
The assumption you are making is that the trial would reveal only the facts about Janner’s wrong-doing, whereas my focus is more on that of others – those that aided and protected him. I guess ine could say that the Goddard inquiry would be the better place for this, and perhaps ‘inquiry’ is a better word that ‘trial’. However woth everthjng else tgat jnquiry has to look at, can we be sure it will being the same focus as the promised Trials of Facts into Janner?
The other thing I’d like to challenge from your post, if you don’t mind, is the suggestion that this is simply a case of failure by the justice system – your ‘tacit admission of defeat’ phrase – rather than something a little more deliberately engineered by those quite possibly central to the justice system to protect people like Janner. Now whether ‘like Janner’ means ‘a senior member of the legal profession’ or ‘a member of the establishment’ or ‘a member of the parliamentary Labour Party’ or ‘one of those owned by the criminal cabal that runs this country’ or even ‘a senior Jew’, I have absolutely no idea. It would be nice to know though.
I feel vehemently that the trial of facts should go ahead and that Manners family must devide his estate amongst his victims thus setting a precedent whereby a trial of facts is held in the event of overwhelming evidence like this revolting man had against him whether a suspect is dead or not and the outcome in the event of a guilty verdict (or whatever the legal term is in a trial of facts is) the rotten slimes estate is decided amongst his victims.
Any decent family would be eager for this to happen to clear their own consciouses at least.
I have no time for families who apologise for or cover for peadophile relatives. They are a cancer in ones family and should be cut out.
I agree with a previous commentator that there are lots of ways to die I don’t see how him dying proved that he had dementia. And in this case plenty of people would have been quaking in their shiney shoes at the thought of a trial of facts.
Plenty of people are accessories to the crimes when it went on over this period of time with three red lights flashing on three different occasions .
Apologists you don’t look fair or level headed when your rubbing your metaphorical beards and wagging your finger in a patronising way at the rest of us. You just look bad and credulous in the face of such massive amounts of evidence
Very well said, Andy! You are absolutely right, we should petition for this “trial of facts” to go ahead. If it wasn’t for the public outcry over ‘no trial’, there would never even have been that. We’ve done it once, we can do it again.
Who DO these people think they are?!
I’m fairly sure that I posted the view some time ago that Janner and Brittan would either die or exercise their right of return to Israel before being made to face a jury.
both some would suspect… thank Maxwell for that precedent
And maybe they have. The Israel bit I mean.
Both deaths were just *too* convenient.
When the death of an 87 year old man is “too convenient” for you to overlook, you’re trying pretty hard to justify a flimsy argument.
There seem to be a few apologists for Janner on media sites tonight. Ironically they all are using the legal maxim of innocent until proved guilty. Ironic in that the very system which is supposed to apply that principle made damn sure it was never applied in a court of law .
Well said.
Yes exactly, the establishment had no intention of allowing the Janner case ever making it to court, precisely so apologists could forever say “innocent until proven guilty” even while, as Gojam so rightly argues, that the evidence against him is overwhelming. The law is an ass and the case against him should still be heard in an open court, to at least give some semblance of justice after the the decades of injustice served to the Survivors.
However, it was also his establishment friends, who helped Janner evade justice. Blair ennobled Janner as a Lord, thus giving him the who’s who, ermine, facade of respectability, even though there was mounting evidence against him. Keith Vaz and other friends of Janner should certainly have no involvement with the CSA inquiry considering their previous support of Janner, but Mr Vaz keeps popping up, one wonders what his role is, particularly, considering the friendship he had with Janner?
Kinnock and other MPs at the time, also played their part in supporting Janner and others like him, by calling for a censorship of the media in regard to contempt of court allegations, which directly related to the CSA allegations made by Beck against Janner at Beck’s own trial. The establishment there by displaying it’s far greater desire to protect it’s very own perverts, than the welfare of very vulnerable Children, so in fact, they too are scum!
well said
As the case never came to court and Lord Janner never got the chance to mount a defence against the crimes he has been accused of, it would be wrong to conclude either that he’s guilty or innocent. It seems though, that his death has proved that he was suffering from dementia so I’d imagine that quite a few commenters who were so ready to claim that he was putting it on will have egg on their faces on this site.
Given that I’ve talked to many regarding Janner, including a senior police officer, and not one had any doubt about his guilt, I’ve no hesitation in saying he was a piece of child abusing scum.
As for his illness ?
It was always a bit red-herring in my view.
It makes no difference. The bottom line is that he was a child abuser who should have been prosecuted decades ago but he was protected.
As for “egg on faces” ? I don’t think so
But you certainly come across as an apologist but that is your affair. If you want to give that perception, it’s down to you.
Thank you i totally agree with you Janner was a sick child abusing bastard. Keep doing what you do you have my support. merry xmas to you and all you love
Stephen
well guilty or innocent i think you have to concede he was unfit to stand trail i thought he was faking it but i have to concede his death proves he wasnt.
a senior policeman saying hes sure about something doesn’t make it true..
Another one that can not be prosecuted
Reblogged this on Desiring Progress and commented:
‘Sources familiar with the ‘trial of the facts’ had told The Needle that about 100 witnesses were due to give evidence against Janner and that the evidence was overwhelming.’
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