St Vincent’s Catholic Approved School, Dartford

St Vincent’s Catholic Approved School, Dartford

Man reveals his story of abuse at Catholic-approved school

A Norwich man has written a book about his life-long struggle to overcome sexual and physical abuse he says he suffered at a Catholic-approved boarding school.

David Armstrong, 67, wrote the book ‘Out of the Shadows’ as closure for his own ordeal and to help other victims of abuse to speak out and reclaim their lives.

In the book he describes the beatings and sexual abuse he claims he suffered as a 13-year-old boy at the hands of Irish-born Catholic ‘Presentation Brothers’ at St Vincent’s school in Dartford, Kent – one of six such Irish-run institutions then in existence in the UK.

After he left the school, he ended up in borstal and eventually served a term in Broadmoor, where he met disgraced TV presenter Jimmy Savile.

Following release from Broadmoor, he began the long process of rehabilitation. And apart from a well-publicised blip when, as a gambling addict, he banned himself from every betting shop in East Anglia, he has triumphed over adversity and forgiven his abusers.

He said: “It took me 10 years to begin talking about my experiences at St Vincent’s. Writing this book has taken me over two years and is a final part of the long rehabilitation process.

“Edmund Burke said that, if good men stay silent, evil will prevail, which encapsulates the primary reason I am sharing my story publicly for the first time. In these pages I bare my soul.”

Some of the most talked about passages in ‘Out Of The Shadows’ will surely be those featuring Savile.

Mr Armstrong, who lives in Norwich’s Golden Triangle, said Savile told him he had been abused as a child.

He said: “,,, he said to me very quietly: ‘I will tell you something now – and I will say it once and never mention it again.’ He paused, and with a look of sadness coming over his face, he added: I was abused as a child… by someone I trusted.’.”

The retired car salesman, who has never married, also talks about the part played by Savile in helping bring about his release from Broadmoor.

He says: “Jimmy Savile was a dependable figure whom we respected, a sane and trusted friend.”

He said when he found out about Savile’s crimes, he could hardly believe it, but he added: “He fooled everyone including Margaret Thatcher and Prince Charles. But looking back on it, I remember one time he said that “killers and paedophiles have uncontrollable demons”, and he might have been describing himself. His crimes were terrible and I sympathise with his victims. I’m just saying what happened to me.”

Mr Armstrong, who has lived in Norwich all his life, was born into a Catholic family on the Larkman council estate. He was arrested, aged 13, while helping a farmer shoot vermin, and Norwich Juvenile Court sent him to St Vincent’s.

Norwich Evening News 14/06/14

158 responses to “St Vincent’s Catholic Approved School, Dartford

  1. John

    Hi Peter . Good you got away . Your probably the same age as me . Hope. You have a good life after st. Vincent’s. Take care mate . And 🖖🏻as spoke would say

  2. Patrick obrien

    Hi all I was at St Vincent’s in or about 67 I can remember one teacher who we use to call pussy cat wiĺlam after a tv show ,he saw me take a beating from a Scottish teacher because I made a stupid joke about confirmation, we had to choose a saints name and I shosed Augutine because it was it rhymed with disgusting, well brother Ambrose went ballistic and demanded that I apologise to which I refused hence the beating , I also remember all the houses lining up in the square putting underwear into various piles and the pant pile being called the goldmine lots of other stories but won’t bore you now

    • Nigel Johnston

      I once received a severe beating from Brother Ambrose for shouting “Yippee” in the school yard.
      I was treated terribly at St Vincents, and I shouldn’t have even been there, I just got lost in the system.

  3. petercon1952gmailcom

    To many lads to remember them all the ones i do were Peter Kennedy, Graham Davies, Mick O’Toole, Tony Grant 1 and Tony Grant 2, John Kane, Paul McNally, fellah name Boyce, Danny Kavanagh, I was in the carpentry shop with Jimbo Ellis, but did schooling one day a week don’t remember the teacher we called him big foot. Masters were Billy Bonza, Bennet, Stinson in the paint shop, Mr Bennet, Mr Hewit drove the sea cadets around in an old school bus.
    Brothers there were, Cuthbert, Daniel, Ambrose, Gregory, Golly pot Dunstan, and De Montford thats as far as my memory goes.

    • Larry filmer

      Ambrose also brother Nuttie.
      Do you remember the garden dept. Mr Smith was the master. Do you remember anyone else in the garden dept. I was in St Patrick’s hse Mr loney. A Celtic supporter a mad Scottish guy.! Lived in flat above boiler room.

    • Carl-Michal Krawczyk

      Was the teacher “Big Foot” Mr. Marsh? I also remember Brother Arnold and Brother Francis, who was in semi-retirement but operated the tuck shop.

  4. petercon1952gmailcom

    Hi Larry I was there August 1966 to March 1968.

    • Larry filmer

      Hi who in other boys were there when you was there. Was you at school there or on work party if so which one.

  5. Larry filmer

    Anyone there 1966 to 1970

  6. George sheptuha

    Hi pat i must have b in Vincent’s same time as you used hang around with Ricky mulcahy an pat mccarthy

    • Allen

      I was at st Vincent’s school from February 65 to July 66 in st George’s house and I was the army cadets I remember going to St Mary’s Bay for a couple of weeks and going on a free Walk to Folkestone and on guard duty and drinking cocoa I must have been there at the same time keep safe allen

      • john protaszczak

        Hi Allen ,i was in st georges house about that time ,remember doing guard duty in folkestone, we used get fish &chips and a pint of cider in the pub across the road,on a friday night,remember all the staff, cuthbert was the best of that lot,memory not so good these days,but im sure i escaped a few times,with someone called allen,would that be you,did your dad have a farm in ongar,

  7. Patrick O'Callaghan

    S 1963 to 65 hope all you lads are okay from Saint Vincent’s wish you all the best Pat Hope you’re alright lAlso we are in this lockdown

  8. George Sheptuha

    I rember grave yard havin smoke there I used to do the run for tobacco over the fence out back across to the shop b4 any one saw I played ftball used to get three pence piece of cuthbert or sumtimes sixpence

  9. George sheptuha

    I heard cuthbert was buried in Ireland I rember al those u mentioned cuthbert had habit of throwing his keys at you Ellis was in building if I rember I done the bricklaying there u must have b there when I was

    • rode

      I remember the building department Ellis he didn’t like people singing “message to Martha “ by Adam Faith cause his wife’s name was Martha and she’d left him 😂😂 I got sent there from Harrietsham remand centre
      Fat bastard there abused me and plenty of other boys as well
      Mr Bonser was well good to me and I joined the army when I got out,made it to staff Sergeant
      St Vincent’s was ok but you had to watch your back all the time we used to meet up with the local girls in the graveyard until we got grassed up two boys got caned for it if I remember right
      I remember us filling the swimming pool and one of the boys kept stripping of naked and diving in..the nurses room overlooked the pool and he was trying to impress her 😀😀

  10. Roddy

    I was there 63 to 66 I remember Mr Bonser, can’t remember his job but a nice bloke ran the army cadets Mr Stinson painting and decorating Mr Bennett woodwork Mr Green ?Gardening,was Ellis either general maintenance or bricklaying Br Arnold Br de Montfort Br cuthbert three a bunch of keys at me nearly took my eye out shit himself until I recovered I was a chicken boy and potato boy as well

  11. petercon1952gmailcom

    No probs

  12. George sheptuha

    Don’t no were he was layed to rest

  13. George Sheptuha

    They were usaly set to rest in the grounds in graveyard but I’ve heard the place is not there no more I was there 1964 65 cuthbert was ok used to get sixpence if we done well at ft

    • John

      Hi . His not buried there he died after they pulled it down . He died around 6 or 7 years ago aged 83 I remember reading . They built flats and houses on the site it’s now an big housing estate I went and had a look in the central square there’s a plaque saying the bodies were moved and relocated from the small cemetery to that point but his not there . I think You would have to go through church to find him if you were that intent . You must have good memories of him luckily for you , 🖖🏻 Good luck

    • Paul.lewis

      Hi, l was there 1964 remember Brother Cuthbert well, had a room the end of 10 bed. Looking back now l am 69 it wasn’t that bad, sure you did get a hiding if you misbehaved ,but put me on the right track for life. Was there for two years. I did like Brother Cuthbert also would like to pay my respects if you found his resting place.

      • petercon1952gmailcom

        Paul, And any others that are interested i have learned that Br Cuthbert died 23/02/2010 and is buried at Presentation Brothers Monastery, Mount St Joseph, Blarney Street, Cork.
        I’ll get there pon my next trip to Ireland.

  14. To Any one that attended St Vincent’s
    Does any one know where Br Cuthbert is buried i’d like to pay my respects.

    • Larry filmer

      Hi I was there in 1967-8 to 70.the bro was a one leg wonder he use to be a boxer in his life time.

      • Peter Barc

        Hi Larry
        Our paths must have crossed as i was there from 68 to 69 ? I was the one that got away, absconded and ran away to sea never to look back..
        Peter Barc..

  15. petercon1952gmailcom

    George, it would have only been punishment if was a gooner

    • George sheptuha

      😂😂thought bein in st Vincent’s was punishment enough then they take it to nxt level an take kids to spurs

  16. George sheptuha

    Brother Cufbert was only decent one when I was there used to get three pence peace if you won a game of ftball he used to take us to Evenin games at the arsenal til I guy legged it wich mucked it up for us goin to games for couple month ambroise used to can me he was total nut job didn’t have to bad a time there I was there 64 65

  17. John

    Morning guys . A lovely sunny morning . I Was ment to be going to France but the van broke down so I’ll get it back later and go tonight . There was a song we used to sing at st Vincent’s . Do anyone remember? It go’s . I had the scarlet fever .I had it very bad .so they put me in a van .the van was very shaky I nearly tumbled out And as we past at Vincent’s I herd a kidy shought mummy daddy take me home from this rotten doggy home Iv been here a year or 2 and now I want to be with you . Can’t remember the rest of it . I remember . Stuff bags were you would hid tobacco. And coming back from home leave with tobacco and hiding it in the bushes and going to get it the next day to find it gone ( other kids staking it out to nick it . I think I would hide it because they would strip you off and surch you on return . I remember the red blazer you had to wear on free walk . And the pocket money ritual on saterday mornings the amount depending on behaviour. Nut nut ambrose was my house leader so it ment nothing as I alway got less that I thought I should . I remember 2 kids jumping of the flat roof and breaking legs . Percy perking the resident chapel ghost . Who was said to have hung himself. The little cemetery in the playing field . The Mettlework toilet quubical were cuthburt would hang outside with his herling bat to intimidate and wack me . Ho the joys of childhood . That’s it folks. Have to get up and get ready for France this evening . Sunshine and red wine . Just to say that Vincent’s didn’t have to define us . There’s others things to remember . Take care guys

    • Peter Barc

      Thats just jogged my memory, Percy the ghost and those horrid red blazers,,,
      Let me please remind everyone that has written how victimised and bullied they were whilst at St Vincents,
      We wer,nt there because we were good boys were we ? (Me included)..
      Pete Barc..

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