Detectives investigating a Labour MP over child abuse allegations more than 20 years ago were stopped from arresting him, The Times has learnt.Greville Janner, now Lord Janner of Braunstone, was interviewed by appointment in the company of his solicitor as part of a major investigation into the abuse of boys at homes in Leicestershire in 1991.
A number of sources with knowledge of the case have confirmed that officers had wanted to arrest the Leicester West MP, which would have given them the power to search his home and offices. Legal advice was sought on taking the rare step of arresting an MP and it is understood that the advice from senior counsel was that it was an appropriate course of action. At the last minute the planned arrest was blocked. Arrangements were made instead for Lord Janner to attend a police station by appointment with his solicitor, Sir David Napley.
The decision-making process is being re-examined by Leicestershire police as part of Operation Enamel, which is looking into allegations against Lord Janner and others.
Kelvyn Ashby, the retired officer who was senior investigator on the original case, confirmed that he was in contact with the Operation Enamel team but declined to comment further.
Police executed search warrants at Lord Janner’s home in Golders Green, north London, in December and at his office at the House of Lords in March. A partial file of evidence has been sent to the Crown Prosecution Service, which is providing the police with “investigative advice”.
The peer, now 86 and said by friends to be in very poor health, has not been arrested. He has strongly denied the allegations against him in the past.
The new investigation into Lord Janner and others is one of dozens of historic abuse inquiries which come under the umbrella of Operation Hydrant, a nationwide steering group headed by senior police officers and set up to ensure consistent approaches to cases involving “persons of public prominence”.
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I do know that Lord ” forget me not” Janner has been expelled from the Labour Party. However, have serious concerns about his other official duties since being outed !!
Is he still allowed to vote in the House of Lords?
I don’t wonder about frank beck! I beleive the evidence of the victims some only 8 yes old already traumatised by loss grief abuse then instead of the care and love they so desperately needed were instead sent to hell wher the devils face was Becks and his cohorts.Always beleive the child denial is a way to avoid a truth to horrific for many to comprehend.psychiatric institutes a repository for the victims .who wudnt go crazy? And how many commit suicide while the truly evil use every avenue to escape justice. Power corrupts and the more power the greater the corruption.fake dementia lies money friends in positions of power the savilles the becks the politicians let them fall from their pedestals. One child abused is one too many.protect the truly innocent.protect the children .
Is jenners dementia a conveniently acquired condition so he can evade prosecution? He shud be independently assesed by at least two experts in the field . If he is. genuinely dementing then l say karma or perhaps there is divine justice for those innocents who were betrayed by all who were supposed to have been their saviours. Keep men out of childcare . Keep men out of elderly care too its a magnet for these evil psychos . I accept not all men in these roles are abusers but they are so cunning
Nothing convenient about the acquisition of dementia, nothing surprising about the claim of its acquisition though.
In 1999 a retired Museum Curator (ex Army bomb disposal) managed to blag his way into a marquee at the War and Peace Show in Kent. By pretending interest in the books on sale at the front of the marquee.
Inside he and his colleague were astonished to witness a holocaust denial lecture being delivered to uniformed private military cadet groups from across Europe. This was a year that Kent’s own private military cadets, Kent Adventure Training Corps, were involved in the War and Peace Show and enjoyed some sponsorship from the show’s organisation (That would soon end)
The retired museum curator interrupted the lecturer (described as similar in appearance to Jonathan Ross) to ask him to clarify that he was claiming there were no death camps on German soil. There then followed an argument about Peenemunde. Followed by the old curator telling the assembled nazis that a Nazi leader had failed at chicken breeding because he had relied on the Aryan chicken gene pool and should have introduced some kosher cocks. It was at that point the nazis began to suss they were on the wrong end of English culture known as ripping the p-ss. And the curator and his colleague were invited to leave.
A full report and statement was sent to Lord Greville Janner. Who did nothing. Which rather raised curiosity as to why he would leave a private youth cadet group unmolested by authority. Especially given that in 1990 the EU had passed a resolution on member states to dismantle all unauthorised military groups.
In fact in 2003, in spite of a degree of protection from Kent Police, Kent County Council did withdraw the Youth Group Affiliation status from Kent Adventure Training Corps. But that was under complaint of a member of the public (me) and nothing to do with Lord Janner who appeared to have put his holocaust banner away when questions of a private youth group had been raised.
What we now know is that one adult leader of KATC was/is an associate of the notorious James Shortt. We know that Theresa May and Sir Bernard Hogan Howe are refusing to answer correspondence asking for this aspect to be explored by Theresa May’s judge led inquiry into police corruption and the Lawrence and Morgan sudden death cases. Simple questions like was Shortt’s company the source of moonlight bodyguard work to Det sgt John Davidson for which he and four colleagues were disciplined 1995. Was this bodyguard group also in the employ of Clifford Norris associate the late Charlie Kray ?
And why were two adult leaders of KATC not investigated in 1992 when Met Police arrested UDA drugs importers and hit men at the UDA Margate base of operations. One of the two leaders had been arrested in the Kent TA in 1987 for alleged paramilitary collusion. The other, using a false Army Record of Service, had obtained employ as a civilian guard at Deal Barracks in 1989 and featured in security warnings given to Kent Police. Which they nil actioned in the year leading up to the 22.9.89 terrorist bombing of Deal Barracks which killed 11 Royal Marines.
What I can tell you is that in 1987 the paramilitary inquiries into infiltration of TA did feature a line of inquiry about the late Airey Neave’s alleged paramilitary recruiter Col Robert Butler.
The 1992 arrests of UDA in Margate by Met led to the murder trial of UDA for the killing of London supergrass David Norris. That trial started six days before Stephen Lawrence was killed. The senior police witnesses for the ongoing Norris murder trial became the case officers in the Stephen Lawrence case whilst constrained it seems in revealing the suspicions or facts about state collusion with loyalist paramilitaries.
A question is when, two weeks after Stephen was killed, Doreen Lawrence met state visiting Nelson Mandela were mercenaries preparing in Kent to attack the Mandela Regime (The later 1994 Desmond Tutu Commission of Inquiry). And were the notorious Parker twin paedophiles among that group of South Africa bound mercenaries ?
As you may know someone was quick off the mark to gain Doreen a meeting with Mandela. But after Mandela stuck his political oar in it seems that Det sgt John Davidson galloped across the police tundra to join the Lawrence Inquiry and arrest Gary Dobson (without securing the seized jacket etc in forensic bags).
Interestingly Michael Mansfield was a defence barrister at the David Norris murder trial. Rather like his police witness opponents he was also pretty smartly involved in the Lawrence case as Doreen’s barrister. If we now look at Michael Mansfield’s charity British Irish Rights Watch and their submission to the Rosemary Nelson Tribunal making no mention of their knowledge about Kent based paramilitary collusion activity (which involved unlawful missions to Ulster and Ireland and false UDR identity cards etc)
What a tangled web ………………
Card, you’re either as mad as a monkey or you are remarkably well informed about subjects that I also find interesting.
Thank you. I am trying to put it to test to some degree in High Court in Judicial Review against Kent PCC and her CEO. But as litigant in person so might slip up on civil procedure rules.
I know what went on in the TA unit because I was a member of the same unit. The Parker twin paedo mercenaries fled South Africa in 1995 where they were under police inquiry for mercenary attack on Mandela Regime which involved 20 murders of black victims.
Searchlight magazine and a mercenary Ronnie Deuster had given evidence to the 1994 Desmond Tutu Commission of Inquiry. Searchlight (though not the most reliable source perhaps) ran a series of 3 reports in 1996 about the mercenaries being prepared in Thanet Kent by League of St George.
The Det sgt Alex Leighton arrests of UDA in Margate 1992 is in a published book about police .corruption
The Kent Adventure Training Corps leader who worked in Reliance SEcurity Deal Barracks 88/89 was subject of a REME Corps Secretariat records check 1998 and it was REME who then called in MOD Police (False REME Service record ?)
Neaves paramilitary recruiter Colonel Butler ? I was asked about him by Kent Police investigating after the decision not to prosecute the 21 TA men arrested for paramilitary activity. The Attorney General and CPS both seem to deny taking the no prosecution decision. (If charges were under 1936 Public Order Act then police can only prosecute on consent of Attorney General). The interview by police was requested by Army Intelligence at Ashford so I did question the legality of police inquiry after a no prosecution decision in the case. I also asked to whom the DI was going to convey my answers and a copy of my statement.
What else do you want to know ? I am probably both mad as a monkey AND well informed.
When Kent Police DI Rogers acceded to an Army Intelligence request to take a statement from me 1987 (see my other comment). I had a book review to take from my wallet waiting for the question. Which took the DI back a bit.
Butler had a book reviewed (all about reds under beds and defending Europe etc) available only from W H Smith. IIRC the publisher called itself “European Institute of Strategic Studies”. No book ever arrived. Order through W H Smith and MI5 would be collating all the names and addresses of people of the persuasion that would be interested in private armies etc.
I ordered the book just in case it was useful to see who later emerged asking questions. Reason ? I had an interest in Neave from when I was a copper in 1972 (Gladio question). And who emerged doing the questioning at beck and call of Ashford Army Intelligence ? Kent Plod.
@sponge_mike I’ve forgotten what I was going to tell you to forget!
there only supposed arrest someone if they reason to believe they wont be qustiond voulentrly
Not sure about that one !
It is in your best interests to be arrested sometimes !
Once arrested you are cautioned, you have the right to professional legal advice, you should be given the opportunity to consult the code of practice too.
Terrorist offences are subject to exceptions.
Nothing in the online Guardian or Mirror (the latter more surprising. The Guardian have been woeful on this). Why is that? Surely not political loyalty?
This story keeps on giving and not only in terms of child abuse and the cover-up by the Establishment, but also in terms of how the UK Government dealt with Northern Ireland:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/top-conservative-mp-revealed-secrets-4030872
?? ‘arresting’ somebody gives them the power to root through all your personals, steal stuff, vandalise and anybody else who works or lives near you….? since when was that legalised?
An officer of Inspector rank or above can authorise a section 18 search of any premises controlled by a person arrested for an indictable offence without applying for a warrant before a magistrate or a judge in chambers.
That covers rooting through personals, lawful seizure of evidence and or prohibited items isn’t theft.
?? over hundred separate incidents here, no end stolen, including my whole life….they gang raoed me, some friends as well (those cameras didn’t get there by themselves) 10 000s of property, millions now if you include interest and opportunity cost….had about fifteen years of it, not allowed money or anything in my own name….suspect they even murdered my dog.
beaten and violently abducted many times….when was anyone actually ‘arrested’? considering the word does mean what the word actually does mean….it’s violence and abduction every time, they even sell the happy slap footage to tv companies for entertainment….i just hope they’ll have hard time taking me alive again…..can’t even verify if ANY of them are even real pigyobs, never mind who they are….
JM, I had assumed that your question was rhetorical, I hadn’t realised that you had experienced a section 18 search.
If you are being subject to ongoing victimisation, I’d set up a miniature video camera ( possibly in a clock or PIR ) that outputs the video offsite, over the internet or even using a cheap video sender unit transmitting a short distance but off premises.
no words or numbers like section or 18 were used, sectioned yes….but after two years the GMC did admit/ claim none of them are actually on the medical register…another anon, one of the perps did claim to be a building once/ hospital….unfortunately ran into him again on ebay few years later- johnrunrig is the only info i have on him, other than he also deals pirated dvds and drugs i think to suspected pigyobs amongst others…
i have no premises, home, or even papers for over 8 years…i actually found their cameras in my home, raping me as well as those women….but they just broke in and stole them back. they have hundrds of thousands hours on cctv footage as well….and filming them? they can legally put you in jail for twenty years for filming non physical entities, although extremely rare they even claim to be one of them….few were dressed like private security guards though, heavily armed….(there is no pigyob uniform, it’s not private security guards dressing up as pigyobs when they not prosecuted for imperonating a pigyob…)
and human beings don’t naturally admit RF.
I’ve been a targetted Individual, subject to ‘gangstalking’ and the rest for over 15 years I think- many of us, try googling
didn’t janner say just because a Nazi was a very old man and in bad health,thats no barrier to him being prosecuted? I agree,it also applies to paedophiles
Agree. Nazis were hunted down for decades after WW2. 65 years after the war ended, 2009, an 89-year-old Nazi was carried to court on a stretcher – it was no barrier to him being prosecuted. A paedophile is no less evil than a Nazi. Janner had state-backing, power and influence and used it to attack vulnerable youngsters and destroy their lives – he should answer for his crimes too.
Demjanjuk was hounded for years, convicted, reprieved then they cut their losses by finding something to convict him of.
We mustn’t expect the same determination to follow up on Janner though, he is old and suddenly got ill just as Mr Plod knocked on the door.
Sabre are you familiar with the Horst Kopkow PRO release ?
There was either MI5 or a Scotland Yard war crimes unit given access to Gwent police records early to mid 90s. By then Chief constable Burden. I think it was 1994 that all Newport Gwent births marriages and deaths records were stolen in a bizarre break in at the Registry Office. Maybe after the outsiders had finished removing the records they were looking for. in Gwent Police records.
It was 1992 that an ex Regional Crime Squad officer was burgled in Gwent and his loft stored records rifled. In 1972 he had been investigating certain death registration practices in Gwent on the suspicion they were being certified dead in wrong names and their UK identities “Issued” to persons then recently brought into UK.
Some police duties can be really scary because it also challenges your version of reality and you become “Mad as a monkey” ?.
Thanks Card. Always worth reading when you post!
Thanks Gojam. I don’t know whether you ever experienced influence from an inspirational person ? And in later life realise that their lesson didn’t end just because, in effect, someone rang a bell.
In my life that figure was a Squadron sergeant major from 22 SAS. He was a former police officer who quit on principle and rejoined Army. Poor sod got the job of trying to make soldiers of us. Some of us techie types then took defence cut redundancy in 1970.
I remember an officer telling him to brief the men on the Irish situation
It went like this “Two gangs. Bath one a week gang. Bath twice a fortnight gang. One police force who bath 52 times a year but feel superior because they have a strip wash every February 29th. Right f-ck off to NAAFI and get a cuppa tea”
Later on the officer re-appears “Have you briefed the men Sarnt major”
And his reply went something like this “Sah and they were so receptive I mentioned the Irish tribal system and kempery men and their unique rejection of hierarchy. We worked through the law of Alfred the Great and then its endorsements Magna Carta. The power struggles of the Wars of the Roses. The f-cking interference of Welsh and Jocks in English affairs. The small measure of justice Edward 1st gave the Paddies who were suffering under Taff absentee landlords. And the hiding Edward 1st gave reneging Taffs like Llewellyn Ap Gruffud . We paused at famine caused by King Taffy the 8th in England and moved then to Oliver Cromwell kicking out the Jock monarchs who followed the Taffs. We considered that the Jock King wanted to back stab the English with Paddy mercenaries and compared it with Taff resentments spawned centuries eariler when Edward 1st kicked crap out of back stabbing Llewellyn Ap Gruffyd Prince of Wales. Cromwell kicked crap out of the Taffs the Jocks and the Paddies. And they are at their happiest with a figure to hate so Ollie it is. We considered then restitution of monarchy and petition and bill of rights crown monopoly over justice and armed force the constitutional monarchy. We considered that the Paddies de facto have not been as entitled to enjoy the Queens Peace as other parts of the Realm. And we concluded as Englishmen no one likes us and we dont f-cking care. Sah !”
My mate whispered “I am something of a bullshitter myself but I stand in awe of the master. Not one reference to the bath once a week gang”
The double cunning bastard was teaching us about independent officer of the Realm. Constable. When it is a laugh you listen.
It should not matter how rich and famous the old nonces are,or who their powerful friends are ,if they have sexually abused children,then they should all be hung out to dry by the neck ASAP
WATCH THIS!!!
Watch what?
I suspect that he alludes to the unfolding of the story with the passage of time.
Patience old chap patience.
Thank you dear boy, it must be the dementia kicking in. By the way, if you need to forget something, just tell me!
If (and I do mean ‘if’) anyone has committed a crime in the past that person should be brought to justice and there should at least be some recognition of that individual’s guilt – even if they are now in a poor state of health. However, dementia is a terrible, heart-breaking range of diseases that can affect anyone (good or bad) and like child abuse should not be dismissed lightly.
Janner has been, and probably always will be, untouchable.
As an individual he has many influential friends around the world, as a figurehead for the Zionist lobby and its permanent guilt machine ( the Holocaust Memorial Trust) which can batter any politician into backing Israel come hell or high water he is far more important.
Same old same then?
kenneth baker, home secretary?
patrick mayhew ,attorney genaral?
i wonder who else might have decided to invite him an oppertunity to give an informal statement (and perhaps conceal any potential evidence in his home or office)rather than let the police conduct their inquiries in the way they thought appropriate.
pm john major? privy council?
i assume it must have been a very high level decision
I still wonder about Frank Beck and his attempts to prevent one of his lads being groomed/abused, Beck’s conviction and then his untimely heart attack death in custody. Beck always protested his innocence (yes, he would, you might say) – but I am uneasy about that entire case, it just doesn’t feel right.
It did seem a bit strange that a nonce would put himself “on offer” by making trouble for Janner although it has to be said that sometimes people do some incredibly stupid as well as incredibly evil things.
Yes.You don’t normally hear about paedophiles stopping other paedophiles abusing children. I agree something seems off. I wonder if we’ll ever find out. Seems unlikely unless the victims are able to talk and be heard.
Although a look at Ian Pace’s blog on the reports of the time indicates they talked a lot, and its pretty damning of Beck. I gather though there were battles about what could be reported and a lot wasn’t.
I agree that the case of R v Beck isn’t clear cut, I certainly wouldn’t stick my neck out on behalf of Beck without knowing a lot more.