Alder House Remand Home, 9 Burford Road, Whalley Range, Manchester
Alder House is a home where allegations of abuse have been made.
i was one of these abused residents here, and with the help of mr. hall and my foster mum got things changed and staff changed,,
when i was there it was run by a miss/ mrs or ms.. brazier at the time, who ended up losing her job and ending up in a homeless hostel in wythenshawe, we were treated worse than prisoners are today, it was appalling, and will stay with me forever.
I was in Burford 73/74 I remember miss brazier and a few others Mrs Fitzgerald used to play badminton with her Mrs Acton little women didn’t like her Mrs hassett hated being locked up in there learned how to crochet in there it was horrible still have all the letters that were sent to me off my family remember loads about that place
Hi I was wondering if there was any pics of Burford remand centre in the 1970s I was there twice maybe you knw me I’d love to see where I use to live as I think about it so peace of mind does anyone knw of this place thanx
Hi Jean l was in there 74 & 77 my name was Roseann Joyce. I was there when a few girls absconded through a window that the smashed
I was there when brazier was there my foster mum helped shut down the place after I had been in the cells for 8 days x vannessa Whittaker I was then in 1977 zxxxroster it was me julie lip trot n a few others we locked in a room n got the window smashed n we did a bunk. I was out for 10 days then brought back I was in the cells for 8 days in a bunkers dress no knickers socks or shoes not going to the bathroom .when my foster mum visited they put me in sick bay n left us alone I showed her the cells n told her all that had happened n she helped get that place shut n rid of that witch brazier
Vannessa Williamson from Bolton was there christine jankowski a polish girl we all called her killer . Can’t remember many names shaking barrack was in there when I was she ended up killing her baby the bitch.
I was in alder house in 1960 thereabouts strict rules then
Strict rules but got use To. It
i was in burford in the 80s and 90s terrible place staff abuse neglet in the girls care lots of prostiution and girls absconding worst place ever when your eleven and alone
I was in Burford when I was young but carnt remember what year or exactly how old. Does anyone remember me Susan Taylor from Salford
I was there 74 I think. ms brazier was head. learned to crochet there. hellish place with cockroaches in the kitchen
Hi rozee yes I remember that happening they were the older girls i was only 12 but remember girls a lot older than me do you remember queuing up for knickers and socks in a morning ? I always ended up with baggy ones lol x
My maiden name was hornby was a very scary place for a 12 year old and has scared me for life i remember the cells underneath the building i was dragged down there with my hair for fighting was let out the next day with loss of privileges no tuck shop money you never got enough to eat was always hungry my family told me about pin down method years later something I’ve never heard of but after reaserching it can definitely say it happened there to a lot of girls me included i saw a lot of bad things happen and remember a lot it was the worst experience of my life my childhood wasn’t a happy one :(
I never saw the outside world for 18 months i was institutionalised years later i suffered from acrophobia and panic attacks still do to this day but manage to control them best i can it was only meant to be a short stay until they found somewhere nearer home but ended up being there a lot longer i think they forgot about me :( that’s how it felt at the time anyway
I was there when brazier was there my foster mum helped shut down the place after I had been in the cells for 8 days x vannessa Whittaker I was then in 1977 zxxxroster it was me julie lip trot n a few others we locked in a room n got the window smashed n we did a bunk. I was out for 10 days then brought back I was in the cells for 8 days in a bunkers dress no knickers socks or shoes not going to the bathroom .when my foster mum visited they put me in sick bay n left us alone I showed her the cells n told her all that had happened n she helped get that place shut n rid of that witch brazierI was one of those girls we barricaded ourselves in n got out window n jumped off the roof I was only 13 julie lip trot ended up in strange ways xsame here not good leaves you damaged. It did me xx
I was there when brazier was there my foster mum helped shut down the place after I had been in the cells for 8 days x vannessa Whittaker I was then in 1977 zxxxroster it was me julie lip trot n a few others we locked in a room n got the window smashed n we did a bunk. I was out for 10 days then brought back I was in the cells for 8 days in a bunkers dress no knickers socks or shoes not going to the bathroom .when my foster mum visited they put me in sick bay n left us alone I showed her the cells n told her all that had happened n she helped get that place shut n rid of that witch brazierI was one of those girls we barricaded ourselves in n got out window n jumped off the roof I was only 13 julie lip trot ended up in strange ways x
I was there and remember it well
Lining up for your knickers and socks at your dorm door after cleaning your room, then you could run for the pile of underwear at the top of the corridor and hope you got something that fit ! I always ended up with knickers I had to tie a knot in at the side just so theyd stay up
No bathroom doors or plugs, in case you tried to drown yourself, had to ask for plug!
15 minutes in the barbed wire compound in the morning and afternoons that was just a paved 30m² courtyard
Locked in the classroom surrounded by books that you had to make up your own schooling with, which was supposed to help when you had your dreaded case conference.
We used to go on lockdown when any of the girls didnt get what they hoped for, a release date! Iv seen them carried past by the staff, kicking and screaming,
I was on unit 3 and saw many a beatings for newbies, When anything kicked off the units were sectioned and staff used to come charging through with dock martins on to break things up!
the place was full of girls age 11 to 15 not mass murderers!!!!!!!
Cells were the sick bays in the basement and vise versa, so you really didnt want to be ill!!
I remember a girl I think she was called Susan and she had a tattoo on her arm they made her go to the nurse every morning and they scubbed it raw with salt until she just ended up with a deep ugly scar
You couldnt see out of any windows except the dining hall but all you could see out of that was a brick wall. I was there about 11 month. I remember a girl called Caron trying to escape over the barbed wire fence in the compound but got her knickers caught in the barbed wire and spent a while in the cells! I remember being in one of the classrooms and six of us who had just had a case conference and were told we were staying and decided to break out We all grabbed a big school table and swung it till we got the momentom going and launched it at the window!!! and it bounced back off well we couldnt believe it all that sycing up we’d done !!! we just fell about laughing :) Fridays was always fish n chips for tea and angel whip after every meal
you were allowed a visit a month held in the dining room I persuaded a isitor to stick a 10 pack of cigerettes Under my place and when we went in for ea I found it and stuff it in my waistband, then I ot shouted up to the staff table where they informed me the packet Id stuffed in my waistband was empty
I got visits stopped for 3 mth
When any of us were actually leaing to go on to a childrens home we all sneaked a tiny piece of paper out from the classroom with our goodbye notes
I had all mine that I had kept safe up until a fire 20yrs ago
I left as the rioting was going down just before it closed.
First time Ive ever talked about this to anyone I could go on but Ive probabl gone on enough
Hi to all Burford survivers its a good what doesn’t kill ya makes you stronger
I was there then I remember the business with the fags lol we broke out n I was in the cells for 8 days . It was a horrible place my foster mum helped get it shut down.. I remember the girl with her knickers on the barbed wire in the compound too. Xx we survived it tho xx
I remember a girl having her tattoo scrubed with salt :( that compound – exercise yard was awful had really high fence round it you couldn’t see anything only the sky at 12 yrs old it reminded me of a massive shed with no roof i still have all my letters i remember Mrs hassett and miss Conway they were Ok to me better than some of the other staff i remember the vicar coming in once a week and singing hymns in the recreation room / hall were we played badminton there was a record player in there remember listening to bay city rollers the older girls controlled it you could never play a record you wanted i remember using the buffer machine to polish the corridors they always had us cleaning we were like slaves vetting your letters and ripping them up if you put anything bad in them you always had to pretend on visiting days that everything was Ok because you were frightened of the consequences afterwards if you told you’re parents what was going on i told my social worker when she came to see me hoping she’d do something but she didn’t believe me she was as bad as them you are right Lauren it does make you stronger x
This is unreal actually talking about Burford to someone who was there when I was!
Vanessa I remember you coming in, i left just as the barracading started up before the rioting I remember someone had their arm broke!
Id been there a year already by then do you remember Mandy? and Dawn who used to pluck n shapeour eyebrows with her nails
Id realy love to know how your lives have turned out Briefly, my life was a struggle to survive until I was 30, then with my 2 children I met the knight in shining armour Id been waiting for and we have lived in France for the past 13 years
Oh that’s amazing hun I was messed up until about my late 20s but I made a good life for myself I have a 32 year old daughter and twin daughters who are 25. It was a horrible place but it did get closed down thankfully. I used to come to France a few times a year cos my sister lived there but she left 3 years ago. Where did you go after burford I went to Liverpool til I was 16 it wasn’t too bad there. I do remember mandy lol the things we did….. everybody learnt to crochet there even me. It’s so good to hear from someone who was there. Would you like my email address to stay in touch so we can chat properly. Xxx
Was Julie the one with dreads?
There was julie the half caste julie lip trot was one that ended up in strange ways. Xx
After Burford I went to a childrens home in Rochdale called Elmfield while waiting for a place at Liverpool but that never came about so I ended up in Northended Road Girls home in Sale, that was a great place I was allowed home for weekends after 12 mths but prefered to stay :)
Mandy was there too so that was perfect. Reluctantly left there at 15 going on 16? married at 17 divorced at 19!! Happilly married to Jay for 20yrs next month:)
I have a son who is 31 my daughter is 35yrs and 5 grandchildren between them ranging from 2 to 18
Been in France for 13yr now! beautiful place to live best move I ever made and I wont be leaving
Please do let me have your email that would be great!!
It would be good to hear from some of the others that were there when we were Iv searched for years to find something on the internet about Burford I was starting to think Id imgined it :)
Great talking to you I feel like I can finally get it out of me not one person has ever asked me what it was like being in care and I realised through good old Jeremy Kyle that peoples lives are affected through it especially certain eras!!
Hey Jean was you there the same time? If you remember Susan getting her tattoo done then that was when Id been there maybe 3mth.
Do you remember Irene big and scary but a good laugh great if you wanted protecting!
Do you remember the shool room where we were locked in and the so called teacher was the only male staff, really nerdy and always wore flip flops or sandals
Hi Lauren sounds like we were there at the same time Omg yes I remember Irene she was scary but had a heart of gold she took me under her wing so to speak i think she felt sorry for me i was the smallest one in there 4 foot 11″ lol yes being locked in the school was the only time i learned anything because we had no choice i went there for bunking off school I’m not sure about that teacher did he have oil or something on his hair always looked greasy ? Do you remember the older girls doing a play once or have i imagined it ??
Cant remember a play I remember one at Northenden road but Burford didnt do positive things like that!! girls would have been happy and Happy and Burford definately dont go together in the same sentence
I remember one of the staff with short blonde hair everyone just called her lezbo? sorry! never did get her real name but she used to bring in records for us to play while we were in the hall I definately remember doing tiger feet dance, cringe!! but she also brought in some good reggé music
It weird because I put the whole experience in a box a the back of my mind for 40yrs so I think my memory is just starting to unravel it all but a bit jumbled :)
Its a shame that there is no possibility of anyone having photos of that place!
Im only 5″ I used to get the green or blue gingem zip up dress cause the uniform was to big for me
Anyway good things come in small packages !!! :)
Where did you go after Burford and where are you in life now?
I remember her bringing David Essex record in hold me close think she was miss Conway i had the blue dress as well when I left there they put me in Bostock hall Cheshire I’ve got 2 daughters my eldest is a author and my youngest at college I’m married and funnily enough he too was in the care system from a young age i still live in my home town Bolton moved away to Blackpool for 6 years but came back I’m doing Ok i know what you mean about photos you can’t even get them on Google or anything :(
I also have 3 beautiful grandchildren and see them often as I live in the same area as my daughter :)
This is so good to hear that at least the three of us didn’t let it get in our way of making a good life and Im sure like me you made damn sure your childen didnt go into care!!! I know some of my friends who I met over the years like Julie ending up in Strangeways, ended up into drugs, drink or suicide. I didnt do the drugs or drink but tried to end it all twice, fortunately not succeeding!
I was a single parent for quite a few years after I escaped a violent and abusive husband and before I met Jay and I got into inventing!
Being one of the first women inventors to exhibit down in London I won many awards, Female Inentor of the Year, Bronze medal for International Inventor I was even on TV with Lorraine Kelly, Big Breakfast with Johnny Vaughn, Channel 4….. cant help bragging I used to think if only they knew the fight Id gone through to get to that point in my life, they wouldnt have believed me.
I had one of the best ideas stole from me but managed to get compensation through the courts and set up a business helping other inventors called Inventors Highway When the children flew the nest me and Jay were offered a job looking after a place in France with 40 guests a time in the gites, huge pool and loads of land when we left there we set up our own Property Managment business and Pool Specialists. 13 years on still still do that plus we now have a lisense as Estate agents so quite a turn around from Burford
Only been back to uk 4 times its only 1hr 30 for the children grandchildren ect to get here so see them a few times a year plus with the good old Whats Ap and Skype Im always in contact with them.
I have always believed that ‘what doesnt kill you makes you stronger’
Well Done you !! That’s amazing some achievement felt so happy reading this my life hasn’t been so fortunate but I’m blessed with 2 beautiful daughters and 3 loverly grandchildren there all need your children must be so proud of you good luck for the future x
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