Bigmouth Strikes Again

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  2. Sasha

    (((Fine choice)))

  3. Justin Sanity

    @gojam – about Tatchell’s proposal to lower age of consent. I agree with you! A global reduction in age might safeguard minor peers from criminal sanctions , but also opens the door to more adult predation. But a bracketed reduction, as in the Canadian model, will satisfy both concerns.
    Here’s how it works;
    – under 12s cannot give consent to over 12s, period.
    – 12 & 13 can give consent, only with peers less than TWO years older, and only if the older partner is not in a position of trust or authority over the
    younger teen and the relationship is not inherently exploitative, i.e., such as prostitution
    –14 & 15 can give consent, only with peers less than FIVE years older, and only if the older partner is not in a position of trust or authority over the
    younger teen and the relationship is not inherently exploitative, i.e., such as prostitution
    -16 to 18 can give consent without restriction, as long as the relationship is not inherently exploitative

    I really think this is the answer, personally.

    • JS On an intellectual and theoretical level I agree with you. However, given that the relationships you’ve described aren’t prosecuted in the UK anyway and given that the levels of maturity in children of that age can vary enormously. I think, on a practical level, this only serves to blur the boundaries.

      As I see it, assuming that the ‘Canadian Model’ is adopted – it would be complicated, it would lead to lawful cases (within the criteria) which might be more exploitative or predatory than unlawful cases (those just outside the law) and it would inevitably lead to ‘champions’ and campaigners like Tatchell campaigning for the ‘simpler’ flat age of consent of 13/14, justifying this using the hard cases thrown up by ‘The Canadian Model’.

      I think there are a couple of issues that we just need to accept as written, 1) Some young people will always have ‘consensual’ sexual or pseudo-sexual experiences outside of the law unless there is no age of consent at all, 2) ‘Champions’ will always seek to exploit the weakness, using hard cases, of the law to campaign for the lowering of the age of consent. For them it’s always been about small victories and moving public acceptance by increments, that is how they’ve always achieved concessions.

      People like Tatchell will make exactly the same kind of arguments if the Canadian Model were adopted as they do now and in some respects they may have more leverage than now because the law would not be clear cut.

      • Justin Sanity

        @gojam – you have some legitimate points that can’t be discounted.
        What I can say, is that this model has been in force of law since 2008 – 8 years. There were some challenges to the law initially, from “campaigners”, but as the type of cases you (and they) anticipated have not materialized, at all, they are unlikely to succeed.

        BUT, the Canadian model is supported by national public school systems with mandated sex education through health classes. The law does have to be explained, in detail, but this is actually advantageous because it forces discussion about “genuine consent” and “sexual exploitation” – concepts which have been identified as inexcusably omitted from previous sex ed programs – and emphasis is placed on older partners exercising responsible self-restraint, saying “no” to their own impulses – rather than depending on the younger ones to do so.

  4. dpack

    in other news
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/oct/13/operation-midland-report-due-met-police-alleged-vip-ring
    i wonder if the smoke and mirrors aspects will get a mention in the ” edited version” of the football loving judges report?

  5. dpack

    further other news
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/oct/14/lowell-goddard-child-abuse-inquiry-judge-denies-racism-claims
    which hints at the sort of “dark forces” mentioned by mr mansfield

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