Urgent Request Regarding Keith Joseph


This is a little embarrassing…

Could the person who contacted me about Keith Joseph blocking an inquiry into abuse at a care home (I think in Suffolk) please contact me.

You contacted me first early last year and again recently but I can’t find any of the emails concerning this and so I can’t contact you privately.

I’d really like to look into this matter as the situation has moved on.

Many thanks.


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15 responses to “Urgent Request Regarding Keith Joseph

  1. dpack

    re hiding in full view


    only a small corner to be seen there


    another corner that has been in full view since the late 1960’s

    and then there is this


    the G word seems appropriate to the above and to this


    my personal opinion is that both D and A were deeply involved with the gladio programme however they probably came to have grave doughts as to whether it was what they intended.

    the G word is not used in any of those links but the G word interpretation fits the pattern of events elsewhere which have had the G word used about them.

  2. dpack


    this adds another layer to this strange tale which takes us back to matters we considered possibly relevant a while ago in that there was/is a lot of spookiness and much of it seems to lead back to the ex soe types than stayed on in 5 and 6 after.ww2

    having had a bit of a read of some folks thoughts on gladio there are two things strike me as potentially relevant.
    that various foreign gladio activists may have been trained in the uk
    that the uk gets mentioned as a sponsor but there are no references to any active gladio units on uk soil which makes me wonder if such info has been dan’ed or hidden by other means,there is plenty of evidence for such a cause in many things but nobody seems to have written a news report,acedemic paper etc etc about gladio uk.
    a few folk (mostly tin foil hat types like me)have mentioned that such and such might have a gladio aspect but the lack of information suggests that either the uk was the only place in europe (and other places) without such a program or that the uk gladio program of the strategy of tension has been very well hidden,possibly in full view.

  3. dpack

    sue ryder and chums created a very spooky organisation imho

    the banker was H.N. SPORBORG
    Culver, Much Hadham, Herts.
    Banker ( hambros)

    some of the stuff about him( le cercle,p2,gladio etc etc )and the stuff re ryder post ww2 in europe is rather interesting and looks very like a continuation of her ww2 career.

    more spookiness than a ghost train and it appears there are many links to many things.i have doughts that the oira interest was what it seemed but the kgb should have been all over them .the “over reaction”of sb/5 seems quite restrained if they were compromised by the dead lady being worried and the police investigations into some aspects of the case.

  4. dpack

    i wonder if anthony courtney was looking for an id source when he asked about the keeping of records for those in care?
    i cant find the exact hansard reference (early 1960’s i think)at the mo but it was the only time he asked a question about kids in care and as he was a spooky submarines and guns type of chap i remember thinking it was a bit odd and significant in some way.i still think that he was involved in some very shady political schemes and had a background that almost certainly brought him into contact with many of the ww2/cold war spooky types who seem to keep cropping up behind the scenes in many matters.his sub was deployed in the med (about the time ryder went there to work with soe ,popski et al) and very probably delivered mclean and heniker to yugoslavia and perhaps courtney did extractions as well,some of which would have been under neave’s brief.
    small world.
    with regard to ryder ,one of the prime tasks of an soe prep officer taking an agent to their point of departure was to do a last check that their id ,costume,pocket contents and mental state etc were immaculate.a rather important and skilled task rather than just being a taxi driver.

  5. dpack

    re ww2 ghosts come a haunting ,it is possible some of “our” captured ghosts could be involved in this( or other id generation projects )

    it is possible that both uk and non uk id was produced by the same department but newport would indicate uk id was required.

    there is no obvious link with this but for an example of “our”ww2 ghosts the latvian ss (plenty of lithuanians and a few finns in the ss as well as latvians)marched into british held austria in 1945(they didnt like the idea of meeting the russians) and were given a polite arrest and in many cases relocation to the uk.
    quite a few of the russian speakers found “employment” with some of the spookier uk forces,some went home as refugees( and potential staff for soe type operations )a few were sent into soviet territory clandestinely by submarine etc but the london end of that op was philby and as far as i know all of those inserted clandestinely had a short and very unpleasant visit and that program was abandoned .
    if i understand correctly about 6 to7000 out of 8000 or so became assimilated into uk society mostly as private citizens with little interest in the past or politics but with no one hunting any of them for past deeds.it seems plausible that some were rebranded.

    i cant see that pretending ww2 latvians were born in newport would be effective but by their nature such rebranding departments need to be small and secure and a section of an organisation such as the ryder /cheshire charities plus a public registrars office (maybe several pro’s)would be ideal for rebranding uk natives(and perhaps other nationals).it is plausible that there were /are several such organisations such as this.
    there are many other means of rebranding an identity but this style would have been fairly secure during the time scale involved when records were on paper and in many bdm offices.
    it is also plausible that this was somehow involved in gladio operations via neave and/or possibly the suffolk connection .

    some sort of immigration fraud for cheap nurses or mistreatment and neglect of those cared for even if committed by well known charitable types would be unlikely to have the serious outcomes or get the effort and attention from dark forces that this strange tale involves.

  6. dpack


    sue ryder was in tunisia 1943 and as she was polish section would have met some of this crew .
    stirling, who was also in tunisia at the time, may have been involved in gladio type activities ,there are plausible rumours from the late 60’s and early70’s about him being involved in organizing” anti union militia men from among the far right” just in case”.
    the peculiar circumstances surrounding the last weeks of blair maine’s life and his death,especially considering that he was in the right places(and knew some of the people) to have knowledge of tara ,might also have gladio implications.

    just post ww2 ryder was involved with rescuing 1400 left behind young poles and got nearly all of them,no dought very grateful boys,back to poland.

    i suspect she was more than just a clerk and driver for soe who retired from spookery and ran a charity.

  7. dpack

    the soe reference stood out as very relevant to context

    the smell of developer
    the extra details re the dead lady are quite disturbing
    the extra details about the interference with the police/coroners investigation
    that the rcs officer thought it “the most sinister ” etc

    gladio ummm.
    im getting a bit nervous cos it could be true and fits into an emerging lattice rather neatly.
    im getting a bit nervous cos it might not be true and fits into smoke and mirrors rather neatly.

    although the latter is possible at the mo i favor the former quite strongly as these matters do fit with quite a few other bits of the jigsaw and this stuff has been hiding in plain view for a long time so if it is smoke and mirrors specifically to confuse about the csa matters that have emerged recently it has been a very long game.
    im coming to the conclusion that the “high level”csa and some of the other csa/”care” issues are aspects of a much bigger picture.
    if that is so using blackmail and reward in relation to csa to control some of the powerful (and some of the less powerful but useful)was a very bad tactic in that it has lead to a much bigger can of worms.

    thankyou card 2 ,it has been a long and brave struggle for you to get heard but im listening and i think i believe you as to many of the facts as some seem to be easily confirmed and others fit with other confirmed data, the interpretations might need refining but seem broadly plausible.

  8. dpack

    thinking about it if they were long term residents they would no necessarily need to be dead to “donate”their id

  9. dpack

    having had a brief poke around it may be that the identities of dead folk from the cheshire /ryder homes were being used by the gov as cover legends for gov sponsored spooks and affiliates.
    it might explain why the entire gwent bdm records were “stolen” and perhaps provide a context for a few other issues raised by card 2.

    this possibility is only based on simple google chi re the records being disappeared and using that it seemed rather too easy to find that folk have been suggesting it over the last 20 yrs .
    it might explain things a bit too easily but it is possible the chance that the police might have uncovered that a lot of agent/affiliate id had been produced while looking into other matters (such as the dead lady,fake nurses and care standards etc)would possibly lead to drastic measures to prevent that knowledge( and specifically the actual ids) becoming public(or even hinted at in a police canteen.)

    i suppose it is possible that the dead lady had concerns about more than care standards.

    so far it seems possible but it also seems too convenient an explanation even though it does make sense considering the spooky trustee etc etc.

    it might be part of the story ,it might not,even if it is part of this strange episode im fairly sure it isnt the complete story.


  10. dpack

    umm tis all rather spooky , the semi overt immigration fraud/war crimes reasons given at the time for the sb/5 interest seem a bit flimsy.
    it does seem more like a “plumbing”job if the facts stated here are correct.

    what was being concealed and why is less clear.it could be a high profile vip/s being protected and potentially controlled ,it could be that the nature of the tavistock studies was being concealed possibly both,possibly something else.

    if card2 is correct that all the bmd records(how many vans full would that need?) of the area have gone missing it does seem a rather extreme way to hinder a id fraud investigation or even a medical malpractice case and quite difficult to do by accident.
    the fire that destroyed most of the north wales care home records was fairly extreme as are the many cases of missing/weeded medical records of kids in care etc etc .

    the info surrounding all of this stuff seems very well worth checking and cross referencing. there do seem to be similarities between this stuff and other matters.

  11. Jeremy Stocks

    Now it seems we are starting to unravel why these atrocities took place. World of difference between a Catholic Church opportunistic PD and an organised professional blackmail unit.

  12. card2

    There was Tavistock Institute research commissioned by Ministry of Health in the 60s. This was research conducted by one registered charity in all the care homes of another registered charity. Leonard Cheshire Homes.

    I imagine this was group dynamic user empowerment type research. But it seems to have led to the inmate revolt at the Le Court Leonard Cheshire Home 1972. Now claimed as the source of the modern day disabled rights movement.

    Hence we now know that in 1972 Sir Keith Joseph was besieged with care inquiry calls. The Le Court inmate revolt. The New Zealand Govt and others wanting public inquiry into the care concerns of volunteer Matron McGill Cavendish HQ of Sue Ryder and Leonard Cheshire.

    Richard D North now of Institute of Economic Affairs was Leonard Cheshire’s aide and driver at Cavendish.

    I don’t know if, therefore, “RDN” would have been involved in Leonard Cheshire responses to a Regional Crime Squad inquiry in Wales. That inquiry ran into Special Branch opposition. Initially it was about aliens careworkers being sponsored to UK by Leonard Cheshire. The RCS developed a suspicion that a nurse at a Welsh Leonard Cheshire home was using a false identity, that of a genuinely qualified UK nurse. I do not know the process by which that suspicion escalated to the area of GP death registration malpractices. The suspicion is that there was UK identity theft via wrong identity certification.

    I do not know the difficulty the bizarre theft circa 1994, of all the areas BMD records, would present to researchers. My information was that at the time of the thefts there was either a Scotland Yard war crimes investigation unit or MI5 trawling RCS records in Gwent with the permission of Anthony Burden Chief constable. I was also told by an ex RCS officer that it was MI5 who came to Gwent and took some of their records in 1972.

    The retired RCS officer was burgled 1992 apparently looking for documents in his loft and leaving an excrement smeared threat on the lounge wall.

    This was at a time the ex RCS man’s work in security for a weapons manufacturer was threatened by SB by threatening they would nobble his security clearance and cost him his prospective redundancy. they also threatened the position of his son a probationary constable with South Wales Police (neighbouring force). “Bad time to have two men unemployed in the family”.

    The McGill death 1972 and the RCS inquiry of 1972 were matters taken up by Sir John Stradling Thomas MP circa 1990. He wrote to Patrick Mayhew Attorney General and Earl Ferrers Home Office police minister. Their responses appeared to indicate they had not received the full text of Sir John’s letters. He was about to raise parliamentary ombudsman inquiry when he died and there was a by election won by Labour’s Huw Edwards. Who seemed too scared to take Sir John’s constituency work forward.

    The prospective tory was barrister Roger Evans who began to advise free in the cases and gave press statements. When Roger won the seat at next General Election he made the first application to Attorney General to try to quash the 1972 suicide verdict Blocked by secret public interest custodianship power of govt law officer. That has been the story ever since.

    In spite of conferences at Tunbridge Wells etc the fact remains no one has the facts about the child deaths at the Beeches. No one knows, for that matter, the facts of the death of volunteer Matron McGill of Sue Ryder HQ.

    I remain at a loss to understand how residential child care theory and practice could be advanced by conferences who do not have the cases evidence.

    • I know things are often not what they appear to be, however, it is possible is it not that SB/5 where really concerned with possible immigration irregularities and or WW2 ghosts coming a haunting.

      That Sir Keith Joseph ( the eminence grise behind Thatcher) was busy pushing his ideological Social Darwinism into Public Policy.

      KJ with his views probably justified sating his lusts on the children of the untermenschen, a bitter irony indeed.

  13. This may be of interest:

    This situation quickly changed as reaction to the problem escalated in late 1973 as a direct response to the official enquiry into the death of Maria Colwell.

    This can be seen by the amount of press coverage given to the problem. Between 1968 and early 1973 The Times carried little coverage of the problem—the only two entries of note followed the publication of the two NSPCC reports in 1969 and 197250—but between 10 October and 7 December 1973 it carried over 320 paragraphs on the problem. It is
    important to stress that nearly all of this focussed directly on the enquiry into the death of Maria Colwell. In fact the only reference to the case by The Times prior to the enquiry was an entry of 11 lines when Sir Keith Joseph announced he was setting up the enquiry.31 This is not to say that the case and the trial of the stepfather, Mr. Kepple, had not received some coverage prior to this, but that the decision to set up an official enquiry was crucial in establishing this case as a scandal and the issue as a major social problem. It would thus seem that the decision to set up the enquiry pre-empted the massive reaction that was to follow—rather than vice versa. It is thus important to ask why it was set up.

    As Minister for Social Services, Sir Keith Joseph made explicit his analysis of social deprivation in Britain and suggested solutions accordingly. He put particular emphasis on his notion of the cycle of deprivation, 52 which argued that deprived parents pass on to their children the very habits and behaviour which cause their condition, so that each generation reproduces the failings of the former. The main cause of social problems and deprivation was identified as the family, particularly certain ‘problem families’. This notion seems to have had an increasingly pervasive influence
    on the DHSS during the period, both in the way problems were conceptualized and the way priorities were set.53 As noted above most of the research and publicity on the problem of child abuse, particularly that by the NSPCC unit, argued that abusing families could be characterized as suffering from some pathology which was passed from generation to generation. 54 Cases of child abuse could thus be seen to epitomize the notion of social deprivation as denned by Sir Keith Joseph at that time.

    It is also my contention that the intervention of the Tunbridge Wells Study Group on Child Abuse was crucial in attracting Sir Keith’s interest to the problem and influencing DHSS policy. The Study Group was a self-appointed ad hoc group55 which saw itself as providing a link between the medical profession, the social services, the legal profession and the police. It wanted to share and to discuss with other professions and groups the views ‘which stem from Dr. Kempe in Denver and the NSPCC in Britain’. The group consisted of leading professionals including paediatricians, psychiatrists and social workers and was chaired by Dr. A. White Franklin, an eminent paediatrician.5″7 Formed in 1972, the group organized a conference which was held at Tunbridge Wells on 15-18 May 1973, attended by Sir Keith Joseph and others from the DHSS, and to which the DHSS gave some organizational and financial assistance. This timing is vital when we realize that the announcement of the enquiry into the death of Maria Colwell was made on 24 May, only a few days after the conference. It would certainly seem that Sir Keith’s attendance at Tunbridge Wells was a crucial factor in explaining why such an enquiry was set up when it was and in the manner in which it was. The DHSS had also, under Sir Keith’s guidance, set up an internal committee to look at the problem, and later published and circulated the report and resolutions of the Tunbridge Wells conference5* to coincide with the opening of the Maria Colwell enquiry. ‘While the timing of Maria Colwell and Tunbridge Wells was coincidental the combination was explosive’.59

    It also seems that the media, apart from simply giving more coverage to the problem, took a far more active, campaigning, crusading role at this time, and in doing so helped to consolidate it. This role was encouraged by other concerns. Firstly there was a growing disquiet about the work and efficiency of the recently reorganized social services departments. It was increasingly being suggested that the quality of social work had deteriorated as a consequence of reorganization, and that child care was receiving far too low a priority.60 Secondly it was apparent that the media had been concerned about the rights of foster parents, changing attitudes to the blood tie and the law relating to adoption for some time. In the late 1960s a number of cases had received publicity as ‘tug of love cases’ when the media took the side of the foster or prospective adoptive parent.61 The report of the Houghton Committee62 had been published in 1972, but no action had been forthcoming from the government. The enquiry into the death of Maria Colwell provided an excellent opportunity to campaign on both issues.

    51. The Times (1973) ‘In Brief, 25 May.
    52. See, for example, Sir Keith Joseph (1972) Speech to Pre-Schoo! Playgroups Association, 29 June.
    53. See Hall, P., Land, H., Parker, R. and Webb, A. (1975) Change. Choice and Conflict in Social Policy, Heinemann, pp. 68-69.
    54. This was perhaps made most clear by Wasserman, S. (1967) in The abused parent or the abused child’, Children, 14, pp. 175-79.
    55. White Franklin, A. (ed.) (1975) ‘Introduction’, Concerning Child Abuse, Churchill.
    56. Dr. A. White Franklin has had a long and distinguished career in paediatrics. Born in 1906, he is at present honorary consulting physician at the Department of Child Health, St Bartholomew’s Hospital; honorary consulting paediatrician, Queen Charlotte’s Maternity Hospital; was formerly chairman of the Invalid Children’s Aid Association; cofounder and treasurer of the Osier Club; past president of the British Paediatric Association; president of the British Society for Medical History (1974-77).
    57. See ‘Personal View1 (1971) Br. Afed. J., 16 October. Dr. White Franklin wrote that he felt two things were needed: (i) free discussion between doctors and lawyers about ‘the nature of the problem’; (ii) a change in public opinion about the nature of the condition so that child abuse is regarded as ‘the result of mental Qlness in parents who were themselves emotionally deprived if not abused in their own childhood’. This teems consistent with Sir Keith’s ‘cycle of deprivation’.
    58. Tunbridge Wells Study Group on Non-Accidental Injury to Children (1973) Report and Resolutions (compiled by A. White Franklin), Medical Education and Information Unit of the Spastic* Society, DHSS.
    59. Personal communication with Dr. White Franklin.
    60. New Society Leading Article (1973) ‘Caring for Children’, 7 June.
    61. See Adamson, G. (1972) The Care-Takers, Bookstall Publications.
    62. Report of the Departmental Committee on the Adoption of Children (1972) Houghton,

    From Nigel Parton, ‘The Natural History of Child Abuse: A Study in Social Problem Definition’, British Journal of Social Work, Vol. 9, No. 4 (1979), pp. 440-441.