Were Either Sir Keith Joseph and Sir Rhodes Boyson ‘Named In Dickens Dossier’ ?

I’ve been watching this story develop, waiting for it to firm up.

These two people’s names have been floating around for a while now.

I’ve heard that both Sir Keith Joseph and Sir Rhodes Boyson were actually members of the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE).

In my view it is now in the public interest that the full PIE membership list should be published. Copies exist in a number of places.

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Two senior ministers in the Thatcher government exposed by the Sunday Mirror last week for indulging in sex parties with underage rent boys were named in a damning paedophile dossier compiled in the 1980s.

Sir Keith Joseph and Sir Rhodes Boyson were cited in the “VIP” paedophile document drawn up by Labour’s Barbara Castle. Other MPs, senior policemen, head teachers and clergy were also named.

And today we can also reveal disgraced former Tory MP Harvey Proctor has been named by witnesses in connection with sex parties and faces being questioned by a Government inquiry.

Special branch officers seized Baroness Castle’s file in 1984.

Boyson was described in it as secretly involved with the notorious Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) group which campaigned to legalise sex with children.

The dossier contained details of how the one-time Under Secretary for Education raised funds and drove promotions for PIE.

The Mirror

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15 responses to “Were Either Sir Keith Joseph and Sir Rhodes Boyson ‘Named In Dickens Dossier’ ?

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  2. What a load of deluded tosh. Pricks

  3. card2

    What should happen now is a review of DHSS Minister Sir Keith Joseph’s refusal of inquiry 1972 re deaths of disabled children in Hackney Social Services care at the Beeches Ixworth Suffolk in the period 1966 to 1972.

    The Commons requests for a public inquiry were from two Labour MPs Michael O’Halloran and Clinton Davis. It is possible that O’Halloran was influenced to ask his question by shadow minister Barbara Castle who had already been refused her request for a care inquiry into death and poor care standards at the Sue Ryder Home Cavendish West Suffolk 1972.

    The lady who had been ignored by Sir Keith Joseph, in her complaints about Sue Ryder and Leonard Cheshire, went to Barbara Castle who then raised Commons questions. The lady was document burgled at some point in the 70s. The lady had not discovered the role of Special Branch secretly reporting and monitoring police inquiries into Sue Ryder/Leonard Cheshire.

    The various inquiries re Savile are all failing to weigh the implication. In the 1970s Welsh Regional Crime Squad discovered the covert MI5/Special Branch liaison exercise undermining their inquiry.

    The charity was being protected from lawful police inquiry by unlawful secret activity orchestrated through Special Branch compliance. Now what are the chances Special Branch did not know about Savile abuse at the Sue Ryder child hospice Leeds 1970s ?

    Dominic Grieve when Attorney General did not dispute the affidavit asserting the above facts.

    I was aware, as a rural beat Pc in West Suffolk, that OIRA asset(s) in Suffolk were taking a then unexplained interest in the Sue Ryder/Leonard Cheshire
    HQ at Cavendish. I first suspected a special branch involvement when a duty DI was contacted, prior to my reporting to him, after the sudden death of volunteer Mary McGill January 1972. The DI tried to order me to destroy the footwear and clothing on the body to prevent it ever being forensically tested.

    I defied the order and was taken off the case. I resigned a couple of months later. 17 years after that in 1989 by pure chance I met a retired Welsh Regional Crime Squad detective and he told me their case history of the time.

    I then tried to resurrect the Matron McGill case and periodically apply to Attorneys General for consent to access High Court to quash the suicide verdict. Consistently AGs use secret public interest custodianship to deny access to justice. In spite of 42 years ignoring the significance of bruising on the body consistent with anal rape or attempted anal rape. The secret inquest into Matron MacGill’s death left the final 19 hours of her life unaccounted. But after the suicide verdict Leonard Cheshire gave a statement to New Zealand press admitting that he was with Matron McGill during that final 19 hours.

    IE I feel sure that a charge, of perjury and conspiracy to pervert justice, if brought properly against Cheshire in 1972 would have succeeded in securing conviction.

    Imagine the furore if a conspiracy thriller like Utopia had featured the charity activity of Airey Neave (Founding trustee Sue Ryder Homes) and revealed that his charity was being spied on by OIRA (later off shoot INLA) 7 years before his assassination at the Commons.

    Maybe rationalising about “Powerful paedophile networks” the better explanation resides on avoidance of a domino effect ??

  4. paul

    gojam can you not bother posting my previous posting,i hadn’t fully understood aps post. I thought he was talking about the prominent alleged pie members,he obviously meant there could be low level investigators on the list infiltrating with the right motives. . my mistake.

  5. paul

    aps ,no chance . the idea that a known politician would himself try to infiltrate is nonsense. boyson was outwardly a family values tory,the idea that pie would have let him in unless they knew him ,and his proclivities,doesn’t add up. IF boyson was a member ,of course. as outsiders we don’t know yet.

  6. APS

    I have a question; is it possible that some people joined PIE in order to investigate or expose the organisation? If so then publishing the full membership list may cause problems for such people.

  7. nuggy

    i always thought boyson was dodgy with his caning obsession but keith Joseph im a bit dubious about his guilt.

    • jo

      I REMEMBER WATCHING BOYSON ON THE FROST SUNNY MOURNING PROGRAM TALKING ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY AND IT NOT BEING NATURAL AS YOU DON’T SEE IT IN THE ANIMAL KINGDOM . I WAS WORKING ON A FARM AT THE TIME AND THOUGHT THAT’S NOT TRUE.
      DAVID MELLOR WHO WAS AROUND AT THE TIME, WAS ON EARLY SUNDAY PROGRAM COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK AND STUCK UP FOR BOYSON .
      ISN’T THERE AN OLD SAYING ABOUT THOSE WHO PROTEST LOUDEST. ( THAT MOURNING I JUST HAD THAT FEELING ABOUT BOYSON )

  8. dpack

    boyson and joseph are dead and unavailable for answering questions but there are others from those times who might be able to assist.
    the pie membership list might shed light on some criminals and the links between them but the list of reports of dossiers,evidence collected by various police officers etc etc that seem to have been “taken by security” “demanded by special branch” “given to the relevant authorities” in relation to various persons and events is growing rapidly.more than a few serving and retired officers have stated that they had suspects”bang to rights” when they were stopped from proceeding by a variety of means and their evidence was taken.

    there is a high probability that this evidence was processed by the security services if only to assess the risk of “enemy powers”also having this information and as far as i am aware all important data is retained “just in case” therefore a lot of it may well still exist in some form either in registry,in the locked box files or in files retained for the eyes only and use of the very powerful .

    it would be best if such records were found ,those responsible for all crimes held to account,be they live or dead .
    protecting the” establishment” would be best done by ensuring it is honest and decent rather than by partially concealing it’s misdeeds .

    • “it would be best if such records were found ,those responsible for all crimes held to account,be they live or dead .
      protecting the” establishment” would be best done by ensuring it is honest and decent rather than by partially concealing it’s misdeeds”

      Hear, hear!
      We should keep in mind, however, that although it may be possible to prove a cover-up – it is impossible to prove that there was never a cover-up. If no hard evidence for a cover-up can be unearthed, wouldn’t that just prove (to many) that the alleged cover-up was successful? And isn’t “my evidence was taken by security” just the best excuse ever, for not having any evidence to support some allegation?

  9. Gojam – the story you linked to says: “Sir Keith Joseph and Sir Rhodes Boyson were cited in the “VIP” paedophile document drawn up by Labour’s Barbara Castle”. Does this mean that “the “VIP” paedophile document drawn up by Labour’s Barbara Castle” IS “the Dicken’s Dossier”?

    • Hahaha! You caught me jumping the gun there! :-D

      You’re absolutely correct and I’ve edited the title as a consequence.

      See how easy it is to admit to making a mistake ? No shame in it if the truth is your goal.

      • Admirable! I felt terrible about having contributed to the false impression that a russian boy was murdered on film by “The Punisher” – but I was greatly relieved to discover the alleged victim was still alive, and had no problem admitting my error. It happens.

  10. Where do those lists exist? It is in the public interest to state who holds that information.

    • There are several versions held by different police forces (they are broadly the same but have slight differences)

      There is also another copy that I’m aware of but I can’t tell you any details about it.